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Uncyclo-Fandom Wars

Episode Final: The kick of all Uncycs by Fandom

Order 66 has been announced by Fandom!

With the situation being desparate, the two of the communites hosting Uncycs have decided to propose for reorganization of the whole community...
The time has come to end the two worst hosting and move them to a better place...

Carlb uncycs are not affected.

Deadline: March 31st

Contents

Introduction[edit]

Yeah, Wikia is kicking them out. All of them. They have posted the message all over.

etc.

Therefore, we should deal with it somehow. The two communities, Miraheze and en.uncyclopedia.co (Lyrithya's server) both welcome the existing Fandom-Uncycs to move to our services.

Both are planning to reorganize the whole Uncyc community, and they also target your servers; Yes, all the servers hosted by Carlb as well. The Portuguese community has complained his slow tech-support for years, and the two communities both have better support on it. Our idea is, "if you can't take care of them, why not just leave them to us?"--The Pioneer (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

General Principles[edit]

Here are the general principles I propose for it.

  1. Uncyc/Illogico Communities hosted on Fandom and Carlb's server should try to reunite if any fork exists and there aren't any problems with it.
    • This applies to the English (.co), the Chinese (Miraheze), the Italian (Miraheze), the Polish (Miraheze), and possibly the Japanese (Miraheze) and the Russian (abuserdopedia.net) communities. I'm not sure about the last two because their relationships aren't very well-established, though.
  2. The available options, if not already forked, should be:
    • Miraheze
    • Lyrithya's server (uncyclopedia.co)
    • The independent servers, if you can provide them by yourselves
    • No more on Carlb's place - Let's put an end to his slow tech support.
  3. Each local community has the right to go to which, and both .co and Miraheze will respect their decisions.
  4. Carlb's servers should be closed after the migration process is complete. Now he is free from any operational tasks. The Fandom will close them anyways (with the deadline of March 31st).
  5. For those without local decisions, Owner of the server has the final right to decide where to go.

--The Pioneer (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)Added.--The Pioneer (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

The problem with saying "Owner of the server has the final right to decide where to go" is that the owner of the affected servers is Wikia and they've already so much as told the community where to go. That, not your differences with the Ansaikuropedia.org community from which your Miraheze project is a fork, is what we need to address right here, right now. Anything not currently on Wikia/Fandom can stay where it is, there's no great urgency there. Carlb (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I would not dare say such a phrase as Wikia propagates ("Owner of the server has the final right to decide where to go"), after all they are communities and they matter with their contents. Anyway, the decision to create these bifurcations was all of rebellious members of those communities, not the owner of each wiki. Strangely a week ago, realizing that a good part of the users of Malucopédia, Wikimerda and Sarcastic Encyclopaedia (old MemesWiki) were the same in the discord, it was suggested that the three communities fuse the example of what happened when creating the Inciclopedia when Frikipedia ceased to exist at the beginning.
As well as remembering that the discord discussion about each bifurcation has an article with different texts because it would give copyright problems, reading that phrase means that Wikia is abandoning its copyright to any wiki that wishes to go merging into another one of the bifurcations giving a blank letter for such. If I had a lawyer, I would hear that sentence and pay well for it. Well, solving those bifurcation problems would become essential for each wiki to solve this. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 05:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
(To Carlb) Hey, I'm not the only one who support the idea. Zombiebaron and other members of .co thinks it's time for a reorganization. Though I'm a member of the fork, I have other permissions on other Uncycs including the Chinese fork which decided to move out of Wikia.--The Pioneer (talk) 06:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

What's this about moving Carlb's wikis somewhere else and closing his server? What's going to happen to the inactive wikis I'm an admin on? Does this mean I have to do something? I'm hoping it's somebody else's problem because I've already got too much stuff to deal with and I'm getting tired of emergencies. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Carlb isn't going anywhere; this is just more disruption from someone on Miraheze looking to fork ja: (Ansaikuropedia.org is hosted here and will be remaining here). Carlb (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
As I said, it's not only I who think your server lacks in tech support. Zombiebaron is also trying to reorganize Uncycs under their server, to be fair. And what you should do, if willing to continue on your server, is not to attack me but to try to have a better support on reported issues across wikis.--The Pioneer (talk) 03:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Comparisons[edit]

Here are the brief comparisons to help you choose the right place.

Points\Choices Miraheze uncyclopedia.co independent Fandom Carlb's
current Uncycs Italian, Polish, Chinese, etc. The English Uncyc/Illogico Russian, Two of the Germans, etc. Many Many
MW versions Yes check.svg 1.32 Yes check.svg 1.32 depends X mark.png 1.19 1.31
CentralAuth Yes check.svg Yes X mark.png No X mark.png No Something alike, but not exactly X mark.png No
Phabricator Yes check.svg Yes X mark.png No X mark.png No X mark.png No X mark.png No
Global AbuseFilter Yes check.svg Yes Yes check.svg Yes X mark.png No X mark.png No X mark.png No
Local AbuseFilter Yes check.svg Yes Yes check.svg Yes Depends Yes check.svg Yes Yes, but blocking is not allowed
Spambots Few Some Depends Some Few
Common Image repository Yes check.svg Yes (Miraheze commons) X mark.png No (or not working) X mark.png No X mark.png No Yes check.svg Yes
Instant Commons (images from Wikimedia Commons) Yes check.svg Yes Yes check.svg Yes Depends X mark.png No Yes check.svg Yes
Errors few few Depends, but generally likely not sure X mark.png often
Tech-Supports Yes check.svg fast not too slow Depends X mark.png neh X mark.png very slow
Easy management of Extensions, Namespaces, Logos, and Permissions by local crats (Special:ManageWiki) Yes check.svg Yes X mark.png No X mark.png No X mark.png No X mark.png No
Custom domain names (example.org instead of example.wikia.com or example.miraheze.org) Yes check.svg Yes Unknown Yes X mark.png No Yes check.svg Yes (various .org's already registered)
Downloadable XML and image dumps On manual request No None yet No image dump, XML on admin request only Yes (download.uncyc.org)
License Yes check.svg Choosable by the locals Needs sysadmins help
Uncyc is CC-BY-NC-SA
Depends CC-BY-SA CC-BY-NC-SA (bjaodn.org is GFDL)
Advertisements Yes check.svg No Yes check.svg No Depends X mark.png Yes Yes check.svg No

--The Pioneer (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

One correction: Illogicopedia articles created after they abandoned wackypedia.wikia.com are CC-BY-NC-SA, same as Uncyclopedia. Carlb (talk) 16:29, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Important Note[edit]

Although I thought Fandom wikis could choose Carlb's place, it may be a non-starter due to the incompatible license.--The Pioneer (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

There are wikis here which have other licences, for instance https://bjaodn.org - the limitation of the incompatible licence merely means that articles should not be taken from non-commercial projects (such as en: ja: pt: nl:) and translated into other languages which have Wikia's incompatible, for-profit commercial licence. That's an issue regardless of where they're hosted. Carlb (talk) 03:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Well, it's rather a mutual issue if you say that. Translation from Wikia to others can cause the same problem. And you should clarify that you will keep the license if you plan to save Uncycs on Wikia, because apparently you first tried to host the Italian Uncyc under CC-BY-NC-SA. However, if you go strictly to it, it will just result in the split of the whole Uncyc empire, which no one wishes.--The Pioneer (talk)

It is strongly recommended that any Wikia/fandom sites wanting to move without losing anything chose their new host within the next two weeks. It is understood that Wikia/fandom site will delete the images (probably permanently) four weeks from now. If it isn't possible to come to an agreement in that time, you will have to download a copy of the site database dump, and images (stored separately) or find someone to do it for you. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I understand, this recommendation would be for the case of small uncys who possibly will not be able to choose a new house. For my part, we should put into practice all possible requests already in advance in Request a new language but without imposing the vote. That is, my proposal is that if one of the communities decides on Uncyclomedia will endorse the internal voting and avoid another unnecessary vote. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

You may discuss it locally, but please try to provide the link and the final results here so that it is visible for everyone. Thanks for your cooperation. @Carlb ^^ --The Pioneer (talk) 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze[edit]

Nonciclopedia[edit]

As Nonciclopedia's only admin I confirm it was already moved to Miraheze (https://nonciclopedia.org) but it's in private mode until we're ready to open to the public. Please let us know if we can keep using that URL (Carlb owns it).--Wedhro (talk) 12:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Unless Carlb says otherwise then yes. As Carlb is not closing down here. :) Arthur Kerensa (talk) 18:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
I can guarantee that the domain nonciclopedia.org is in agreement. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I have asked Carlb if we can make the community move back as we dont like Miraheze anymore. Un-Curious (talk) 19:17, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
You may even try (the right way without cheating) but the community chose Miraheze. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

nonciclopedia.org is now live, in case someone was wondering.--Wedhro (talk) 09:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Not yet, but thanks for the warning. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 10:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Arabic Uncyclopedia[edit]

Per request from the mostly inactive denizens of beidipedia, I am organizing it for them to move to Miraheze. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Now created. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Um, where ar: all the images? Carlb (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
On second glance, this project appears to be dead or inactive. The Wikia version is permanently closed, the images were never imported to Miraheze. I have an archived copy at https://ar.uncyclopedia.info which is reasonably complete, but no one has posted anything to any version of Beidipedia since March. Carlb (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Simplified Chinese Uncyclopedia[edit]

The Simplified Chinese cn.uncyclopedia has moved to Miraheze: https://uncyclopedia.miraheze.org

The regular-script Traditional Chinese project on uncyclopedia.tw is not (and never was) part of Wikia, so is unaffected. Carlb (talk) 08:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

We are separate Uncycs, please do not merge them. Abcabc2 (talk) 13:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Esperanto Uncyclopedia[edit]

Roberto, the other editor/administrator of Neciklopedio, has given me permission to select a new host, and I think Miraheze would be easiest. Our request is here: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/7496 I will report back when it is moved and will also post here if any problems arise. Draketo (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Wiki is created and awaiting an import. Draketo (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
BTW, for anyone who speaks Esperanto, here is Roberto authorizing me to make the decision. On Miraheze itself I am using the name Draketa because, somehow, Draketo was already taken. Draketo (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 01:45, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
This has been imported, but a lot of the images are still broken and I'm not entirely sure why. Draketo (talk) 11:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Miraheze has imported no images at all for either Arabic or Esperanto; some of the others have a partial but incomplete import of text and images. If you're seeing anything at all, this may be because the wiki is displaying images from a common repository (such as Wikimedia Commons) in place of a small handful of the missing ones? They also haven't imported the page history for any of your articles, a problem as this is needed for attribution under the free licence. Carlb (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
We're going to end up going with https://eo.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/%C4%88efpa%C4%9Do instead of Miraheze. Whoever is responsible for importing the wiki there, thank you. Draketo (talk) 19:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
I did not understand, Neciklopedio gave up on Miraheze? Talk to Carlb Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 05:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, Neciklopedio (eo:) tried Miraheze because they put their trust in The Pioneer, who was busily spamming every affected wiki with this sort of lovely advice:

  • Hey could someone post on Unmeta about getting all the existing Uncyclopedias transferred over there? Especially Esperanto. I can't post there due to the weird spamfilter not working on my browser. Draketo (talk) 18:38, February 26, 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't recommend Carlb's servers. I have heard complaints from the Portuguese community for him being late on dealing with all the technical issues. As a member of Miraheze, I think using us is a better option.--The Pioneer JP (talk) 18:42, February 26, 2019 (UTC)
  • That's reasonable; I agree that they are slow with technical issues. Would you be able to take on the Esperanto Uncyclopedia? Draketo (talk) 18:59, February 26, 2019 (UTC) ...

Ultimately, all that Neciklopedio got as a reward for their willing trust in The Pioneer and Miraheze was an import which had no images and no revision history. There look to be similar but less obvious issues with Indonesian (a Miraheze import was made, but it is missing many pages). Arabic looks to be dead (no one has posted to any version of Beidipedia since March) and the Miraheze version of ar: has no images. Russia (Olbanian) has gone independent after trying Miraheze, Polish has gone independent (leaving an annoying fork behind). That just leaves Italian (which is finally usable, after months of being locked down so no one could read or edit) and China-Simplified (zhcn) - where the page and revision counts don't match the quarter-million edits which were on the Wikia version. Carlb (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

If you can read in the next section, Nonciclopedia is operational and I could edit it 4 times, including checking the interlinks. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 23:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Also, and I hate to say this late is that there was a plot to expel the uncys as commented in some Uncyclopedia forum. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 01:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Tolololpedia[edit]

See also #Account problem on id.uncyclopedia.info, below.

I saw a comment from a Tolololpedia administrator in discord about the migration to miraheze. Unfortunately I still expect a response. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 05:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=farmer says it was requested; it's currently created and sitting empty, along with Esperanto. I believe this one is legit. One thing to watch with Miraheze: check who is requesting these, and whether there's any community behind them. Because of Wikia's shutting down an entire set of wikis, sites like Miraheze have been flooded with requests to fork various Uncyclopedia projects. Many of the requests seem to have no tie to the original community - or any active community - and are basically a waste of time. Anyone can request anything; that doesn't mean it's worth linking to or that it's part of the project. Carlb (talk) 07:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I do not interpret that way, whether this or that community is influencing the decision to go to Miraheze. What is happening is that in the case of large communities, there is no way to convince anyone to come to UnMeta (I cite as an example) if for all, we are known as the worst server service but it is easy to say this when Wikia and Miraheze have servers paid or paid for donations. Second point (and I know what I am going to say will displease everyone), I have been following since the previous crisis regarding the Japanese bifurcation and server problems in recent months the disinterested help of The Pionner.
In this case, the support and construction of the abuse filters. The use has been a success and I myself talked with Alhazred about the implementation of this system in DP, note that I am banned in the wiki but I still requested to support the problem of a vandal attack several wikis and DP is the only one with unused filters. In other sites (Malucopedia, Wikinet, Wikimerda, Desgalipedia and Çciclopédia) the percentage of attacks fell to 94% reinforcing this thesis.
On the confusion of the Ansaikuropedias, the bifurcation was another indication of lack of follow-up and the forum at UnMeta became a show of accusations where there was too much evidence against the local administration where the worst of them using the check user tools was over-performed . I may not understand Japanese but I insisted the local administration would answer that and the worst of the answers they gave me was to check them out here at UnMeta and give results to compare the IPs to blocked users in the Japanese version. I refused to do so because I saw no legal reason to do them, and I just followed the topic dying slowly. The little interest he showed in commenting that he had no way of knowing whether or not it was legal what happened at Ansaikuropedia.org only kept the motivation of those who are in the bifurcated version to continue there. And I do not see any solutions to a possible reunification of the Japanese versions that concerns Miraheze this problem.
In any case, I do not see in the case of Wikia communities this behavior. What has been requested so far is, in my opinion, that Wikia seeing that it can be accused of inflicting European Union Article 13 that could somehow imply in its uncys where the majority are of European readers and publishers, is forced to expel them for the benefit of other servers, especially Uncy.co and Miraheze that can shelter them without complications. I mention this because during a month I followed the discussion among the users of Nonciclopedia and during that period there was a lot of talk about possible legal complications, having a history that a singer almost closed the site for accusations of injury. I do not see Inciclopedia, Desencyclopedia and others discussing this, they are actually being expelled and asking for help. If this topic reached all ears it is due to having found this topic open already on the third day being decided on the UnMeta discord by Zombiebaron, The Pionner and others.
I think this is the situation. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Some of the pages has moved to Miraheze Tolololpedia, but there's still around 7000 pages to go. --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I misunderstand, does the wiki have more than 7000 pages? This is more that has the Desgalipedia! Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, currently it has 9117 pages, so importing it all will take a really long time --Pradiptamf (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

uncyclopedia.co[edit]

Inciclopedia[edit]

This is just a poll but I see how things will go around here.

We're running a vote to choose between Miraheze and Uncyclomedia. We've set a calendar on the process: voting finishes March 1st, we're giving two days to sort out all the bureaucracy and then migration would start March 4th. Migration is expected to finish by March 14th (we'll work hard to make this possible). Then we'll have a short beta phase through March 15th-20th and migration is expected to complete by 21st. This gives us some extra days from the initial deadline if something goes wrong. Marquii (Inciclopedia admin) signing from his IP because he has login issues: 95.23.239.52 17:43, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This poll gives an overview of how the options are being discussed. I would like more details in the French and other versions as it seems there are in each community choices of different paths. I do not want to be alarmist or want to ruin the consensus more apparently the situation may tend to continue dividing communities by replacing Wikia with Miraheze. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I would like you to be clear. Which Uncyclomedia? By Calrb, or by Lyrithya?--The Pioneer (talk) 03:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
We're moving to Lyrithya's server, after a majority of the vote. We'll start working with them to get the migration done ASAP. --Marquii, still with login issues LOL 95.23.239.52 20:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

de.Uncyclopedia[edit]

Nothing official yet, but leaning towards going to .co according to http://de.uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Eine_Nachricht_von_Fandom#Entscheidung.2C_wo_wir_hingehen

This is not the largest Uncyclopedia-style wiki in German; that would be Stupidedia (an independent which predates en.Uncyclopedia) and there's also a Kamelopedia which is independent (with its own separate origins) but much our style. Carlb (talk) 07:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

German uncyclopedia has voted for this option. By the way, Stupidedia was closed by the site owner in January 2018 and is in read-only mode now. Kamelopedia seems still active but the Kamelopedia style is focusing on puns and wordplay. Just FYI. --37.138.78.208 19:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Necyklopedie (Czech)[edit]

We (necyklopedie.wikia.com /Czech) are not dead. We must decide and vote for uncyclopedia.co/miraheze until March 11, 23:59 CET. Karkos 88.103.70.131 21:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I still have necyklopedie.org registered and could move you back here if you like. Carlb (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, you having multiple forks from Fandom is another issue for the grand reunite .co and Miraheze are both willing to.--The Pioneer (talk) 04:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
What you would recommend us? We are not forked.--Karkos 2A00:1028:8382:5FFA:12E:626F:F58A:ABB 12:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Oops, my mistake. The thing is, there are some Uncycs forked by Carlb before this was announced. I thought necyklopedie.org was one of them, but no, it was actually a redirect to Wikia/Fandom. Sorry for that.--The Pioneer (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, for most of the affected (whatever).wikia.com projects, there is a redirect (whatever).org which I registered years ago. While those redirects are not forks or mirrors, the underlying domains are very much re-usable for projects like https://nonciclopedia.org who request the domain be pointed to their new site (just so long as the new host is willing). The one notable exception, sadly, is uncyclopedia.org (which Chronarion sold to Wikia in a backroom deal in 2006; we're still paying for that mistake). Carlb (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
On behalf of all active Necyklopedians I ask for moving our pages (necyklopedie.wikia.com) to Lyritya´s project uncyclopedia.co. Thank you in advance for all your support for us. We would be glad, if you can copy it including all edit history and also including deleted pages and images (as described below in the Technical information from the Uncyclomedia.co/Illogicopedia hosting team section). Please contact me here or at my discussion page at necyklopedie.wikia.com)
Dear Carlb, could you provide us the domain necyklopedie.org for this reason or do you have some other plans with it?
Karkos2A00:1028:8382:5FFA:5C1B:112C:848A:1890 23:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

ex-UncycloWikia[edit]

"By a two vote majority, Uncyclopedia.wikia will now be hosted by Uncyclomedia. The vote conducted over the past week is now closed. A back-up of this site can now be authorised. An extension by Wikia/Fandom to continue to host this site after the 31st March 2019 until that has been done has been given to me by Sannse."

~ [[User:Romartus{{{3}}}]]

Whoever is reading this quote, I declare that ended the voting on change of UncycloWikia bound for Uncyclomedia.co. With this, we can begin the work of transferring all content. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 11:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Désencyclopédie[edit]

Hello, administrator from the French Uncyclopedia here. We are willing to move to Lyrithya’s server. Carlb currently owns a copy at desencyclopedie.org . It would be nice if that could be redirected to Lyrithya’s server. How can we kickstart the migration process? 82.243.252.74 12:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I think Lyrithya/Athyria can do that. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 09:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I think Carlb can do this. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 09:53, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Own hosting[edit]

Nonsensopedia (Polish)[edit]

After a long discussion and considering all available options, we have decided to move Nonsensopedia to an independent server. We want Nonsensopedia to be as independent as possible and able stay in the same place for at least 10 years, and Miraheze isn't really stable (both technically and financially). We also don't want to migrate to Carlb's place or uncyclopedia.co, as we don't really fit there, our project has a bit different goals and rules. You may also know that we had a fork last year when part of the community moved to Miraheze, that fork is mostly dead now. We've talked with that fork's admins and they are interested in merging with us on a new host. We haven't developed a plan for the merge yet (what content to copy, how to transfer user rights etc.), we will be doing that in the coming weeks.

We are currently in the middle of migrating to the new host, I'll let you know when we are done. Don't worry, we have a lot of people in the project with strong IT background, both hobbyists and professionals :) We are also very grateful for the grabber scripts provided by the uncyclopedia.co team, these scripts absolutely kick ass. Thanks, guys! Magwac (talk) 23:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

We are through most of the migration, there still lots to do, though. Our new address is nonsa.pl. We have enabled extension StubUserWikiAuth, so if you have an account on Wikia (and you have made at least one edit on Nonsensopedia), you can get it transferred effortlessly. Magwac (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Will that configuration break when nonsensopedia.wikia.com goes away at the end of the month? Also, what happens to nonsensopedia.org (which currently points to Miraheze). Will the Miraheze project be closed? Do I need to change the nameservers on the .org domain to point to the new site? Carlb (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
The configuration will probably break partially, as users won't be able to import their preferences anymore. The login transfer part should be ok, as Fandom has a centralised login service. If it breaks… Well, we will resort to plan B, manual verification. We have made an effort to reach as many users in our community as possible and tell them we are moving. About the Miraheze fork: at this point two of their admins (Mr obornik and Polskacafe) have decided to join us, the only one left there is ZelDelet, who refuses to move to a host where he would lose his user rights. And he would, I doubt the community would let him be an admin, he's quite… unpopular to say the least, a few months ago he lost his rights on Wikia for complete lack of cooperation and sabotaging our work (he took control of a social media account and refused to give it back). So it seems the Miraheze fork will remain where it is (probably, that's just my guess based on ZelDelet's previous behaviour), accumulating dust. We've bought a domain for ourselves, nonsa.pl, it unfortunately isn't our project's name, but a popular abbrievietion of it. We would certainly enjoy a redirect from nonsensopedia.org, though. Magwac (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The domain http://nonsensopedia.info might be an option? Carlb (talk) 06:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
It… doesn't fit the project. We have already decided on nonsa.pl, it's supposed to be easy to remember and different, also kind of a brand refresh. As I said, we would enjoy a redirect from nonsensopedia.org with the Miraheze fork being pretty much dead (that could help us a lot with fans being confused where the hell is Nonsensopedia), but whatever you decide is ultimately up to you, so… Do as you see fit. You can put up a vote or something, but with the Miraheze community being literally 2-3 people and nonsa.pl having like 20 people active the result would be quite obvious. Magwac (talk) 08:41, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
I wanted to write to you on your talk page about this, but an abuse filter prevents me from doing this. I wrote about it to you on your talk page on en.uncyclopedia.co instead, I don't want to make this enormous forum thread even longer, so I won't spam with it here. You may also want to look into that Anti-LTA filter, whatever that is. Magwac (talk) 16:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Russian Uncyclopedia[edit]

Absurdopedia.net already exists independently, in Russia. The Wikia version is, as far as I can tell, an abandoned fork which was left behind back in 2010 or so. Carlb (talk) 03:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
The Russian Fandom community is still alive because some of them are against Edward Chernenko's policy. They ahve decided not to reunite but to move out to Miraheze.--The Pioneer (talk) 06:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I unfortunately do not believe he has reached that point. I met Edward even at the time of the creation of the bifurcation. I do not think it will be a good conversation to plan to reorganize these two versions. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:31, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello! We are not an abandoned project. Many common articles were rewritten and added, and new ones were written. Over the past three years (2016-2018) only new articles have been written 924, for comparison - in the Chernenko project for three years ~ 180. These are only new articles without taking into account the old stubs, modified and transferred by us from the personal space. And without taking into account the fact that we have high quality control and the minimum size of articles is 4 kilobytes. Unlike the Chernenko project, where this is somewhat neglected. We would be happy to integrate, but too deep contradictions with Chernenko, who unreasonably considers us vandals, squatters and trolls, and most likely will oppress. Therefore, we unanimously want to be free from the power of one rude person (he personally did not hurt me, I was registered before the split and was previously inactive, and we observe an unofficial gentlemen's agreement not to steal articles from each other - our side is following this). We also want to cooperate with all Uncy in other languages, and we have something to please the readers of the Absurdopedia. We have our own domain http://absurdopedia.wiki bolted to Miraheze. I would like to have interwiki with all the old colleagues, as before, but now some chaos has reigned, so we don’t know who we will refer to and who will refer to us. Some language versions also have two or three Uncy. No matter what happens after the move, you don’t forget about us - we are alive, just as long as the technical work with dump filling is in progress, therefore nobody rules on the old site or on the new one. All active authors are informed - we have our own chat for coordination in Telegram and Skype instant messengers. Sincerely. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

About a possible solution to the problem

We discussed once again the situation of our entire group. And we have such a proposal: can you accept us on your server as the main project of the Russian Uncyclopedia? And at the same time be intermediaries between us and Chernenko? If his group agrees to come to us by combining projects, then you can guarantee one bureaucrat to our group, and the second let them be as a gesture of our goodwill. The condition on our part is that the rules for electing new administrators will be ours — not by appointment, but by voting by the rules, and a two-party system, that is, no arbitrariness towards us. No premoderation newbies. No approved article versions for "random articles". To merge their content with ours - the creation of a committee of two authors from our side, approved by them, and two from their side, approved by us. In the event of an irreconcilable dispute, we ask the arbiters of Rhubella Marie. I will try to voice this offer on their forum, if they don’t ban me, and pass it through a friend of the administrator of the project I trust. I will give your representative in Absurdopedia on Wikia admin rights to make a complete dump with the pages of the participants, archives, deleted content and all the pictures (for Lyrithya). The domain name absurdopedia.wiki can be screwed as basic, as an option. How do you look at this sentence? All the same, it will be easier for us to come to peace with another fork of the Absurdopedia under your third action than on Miraheze. But we will not switch to the Chernenko website, our authors will not be offended by senseless trifles, as for example, the telecommunications operator didn’t like or “dared to contradict the site’s owner”. Please tell us your decision, so that we can decide for sure - to continue moving to Miraheze or to join you on the terms of good cooperation. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 11:53, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


I understand, but I would like the subject to be discussed here because the time is very short. They know well that the example of other wikis with problems may not be an agreement but take into account that the exit of Wikia is taken for granted. Please look closely at the comparative table, discuss and vote on which server seems to be the best option for you. If they consider Miraheze as their choice, they must propose the unification of the two bifurcations.
Another thing, I understood that your chat is on the Telegram and Skype, would it be possible to create a Chat in the Discord that can integrate with the other uncys? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 14:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I do not understand your result. In Discord, we have three. While online, I and another admoistrator. Give a link to the chat? (but we have communication through Google translation, who do not know English in Discord) --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 15:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I really thought they did not use. The Discord of UnMeta Here! Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 18:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

UPD

In connection with the prolonged transfer of the dump from the side of Miraheze (from March 2 to 9, only 1/16 of the pages are flooded), which is of concern to our community. And also due to the precarious financial situation of Miraheze, which we do not wish to aggravate, the Absurdopedia from Wikia will be transferred to its own server. While undergoing technical work. We will keep you informed. And yes, we agree, if on UnMeta we are assigned a separate interwiki "olb" (the network Russian with special grammatical distortions is called Olbanian — "Олбанский"), since the place of interwiki "ru" is taken. P.S.: We would be grateful if you gave our technicians scripts for the complete transfer of the dump Absu-on-Wikia with all the accounts. Respectfully, --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 08:28, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Did you decide to reunite or is this the new fork? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
No, this is a separate site. Otherwise I would not speak about interwiki. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 14:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
As "olb" is not on the standard list, it will need to be added to the local MediaWiki server configuration file as something like:
$wgExtraLanguageNames = array(
    'ain' => 'アイヌ',
    'ryu' => '沖縄',
    'cmn' => '正體中文',
    'dlm' => 'Dalmacija',
    'kp' => 'Kamel',
    'rus' => 'Россия',
    'olb' => 'Олбанский',
    'tlh' => 'tlhIngan Hol',
/*  'yue' => '香港語', */
    'zh' => '汉语',
    'zh-classical' => '文言',
    'zh-cn' => '汉语',
    'zh-hans' => '汉语',
    'zh-hant' => '正體中文',
    'zh-hk' => '香港語',
    'zh-mo' => '中文(澳門)',
    'zh-my' => '华语(马来西亚)',
    'zh-sg' => '华语(新加坡)',
    'zh-tw' => '正體中文',
    'zh-yue' => '香港語');
Unfortunately, this change - and the additions of individual URL's to Special:Interwiki - need to be done on every wiki in the set: not just UnMeta but also whatever's on uncyclopedia.co, Miraheze and a growing list of independents. If olb: works here, it may still be missing elsewhere - Uncyclopedia has long been a nightmare for operators of interwiki.py-style bots.
There are various options for recovering content; none are ideal:
  • While Wikia has refused to provide a copy of the user list or deleted content; they do make a copy of the XML dump for just the article text available for most of the Uncyclopedias. The link is on Special:Statistics on the old project; the button to "request a dump" is only available to administrators. Sannse did put in a request for the dumps for the inactive projects a day or two ago, so everything should be there except Slovakian (no usable Wikia dump, just a grabbed dump+imgs here) and Italian (where a Wikia dump exists, but is from November 2018).
  • The WikiTeam dumper at https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=WikiTeam#Tools_and_source_code does a reasonably good job of grabbing the images for an entire wiki; as Wikia is running an old version and non-standard MediaWiki setup, the exported text from this tool may be missing some revisions. This does not grab deleted text, deleted images or user lists. I've already run it against the affected wikis and put the resulting archives up for download on https://download.uncyc.org/wikia so that enough data to rebuild the project is safely out of harm's way.
  • Access to deleted content is a bit trickier; mw:Manual:Grabbers may be an option, but it relies being logged on to the old wiki as an admin to grab the deleted text and images. It needs to be installed on the same computer as a working, blank MediaWiki installation as it copies directly wiki-to-wiki.
  • Userlists are also problematic; both Wikia and Miraheze are using a shared list which is common to every wiki they host, so there's no way to move from or to either of these sites without recreating accounts. The workarounds tend to involve the user logging on to the old site (if it still exists) for long enough to say "I'm so-and-so at the new site" and, in the worst cases (such as the Wikitravel/Wikivoyage split, where the old host was vexatiously suing individual contributors) it may have to be done manually.
So no, we don't have "technicians" which can hand you a prepackaged dump of "all the accounts". Carlb (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Dump and images imported. It remains for us to debug extensions, redirect the domain, and we will exit the twilight zone at sunlight. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 05:52, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Position of the real Absurdopedia community[edit]

First, it's really impolite and manipulative to have a discussion about Absurdopedia behind the backs of its community, and speculate regarding the motivation of its administrators (including me) without actually notifying any of Absurdopedia users about such discussion taking place.

Second, the people on the Wikia's mirror are not legitimate users. They are trolls who have been maintaining a phishing site (pretending to be the real thing) with no other motivation but to harm the real Absurdopedia.

They do in fact create multiple pages to pose as an active site, however these pages have no humor in them, which is in fact the reason why such pages were VFD's in real Absurdopedia (it has high quality standards). We are talking about people who were banned for graphomania and having no sense of humor, after which they said "haha, you can't delete my bad article, because there is a Wikia mirror" and went to help Wikia to fight against us as a revenge. They are purposely creating low-quality pages there in order to harm our reputation.

They have also been running a smear campaign about me personally, where multiple accounts that I've never seen, met or interacted with in any matter are suddenly telling stories about supposedly being eyewitnesses of me being a very bad and evil administrator. I believe those accounts to be sockpuppets of the trolls mentioned above, where 1-2 trolls split their edits into multiple accounts to maintain an illusion of public support. None of the actual contributors who have written any good articles in Absurdopedia have any problems with me personally or with our rules. Almost every legitimate user who interacted with me would confirm that I've been nothing but supportive and understanding. Furthermore, authors of good articles in Absurdopedia are periodically promoted to administrators, and one administrator's decisions are overridable by any other administrators, so this is nowhere near a one-person dictatorship as these trolls try to portray it.

The real Absurdopedia here is a target of a purposeful attack campaign, where Wikia (when its evil policy was to prevent wikis from leaving by any means) was just a tool for this people, and now that it no longer has any use for them, they came here to try to fool UnMeta. They are lying that they have some sort of real disagreements about the policies, etc., however there are none (they are literally trolls just harassing us). Basically they just want recognition for their phishing site (which is the only reason they ask for interwikis), so that they could run around the Wikipedia articles, etc. and lie that they are the real thing (which they are not), referring to this interwiki as a "proof".

Any legitimate user is always welcome in Absurdopedia (we are assessing new users by the quality of their articles alone, and if there is no problem there, nobody cares if you have any bad history of editing in the past - it's been years since we had to check anyone for being a sockpuppet, and those few people who had real conflicts have on many occasions rejoined Absurdopedia with no difficulties). In the past years, the experiences of new users about participating have been nothing but good. The only possible reason why an author (regardless of who he/she is) would have a problem joining Absurdopedia is if he/she can't write a single good article. Absurdopedia is always ready for negotiations with UnMeta and legitimate Uncyclopedia communities, but we will not discuss anything with trolls who have been harassing us for years, nor with those who consort with them without properly investigating the situation.

Detailed information on history of the conflict, motivation of trolls, etc. can be provided to anyone who needs it, please email me (as a real name person, not unknown pseudonym) if you have further questions about it. In order to not feed the trolls (who watch this forum topic, and undoubtedly will start responding to this message with another round of "Edward is an evil incarnate, he is bloody and eats children, and only if Edward was dead would Absurdopedia be ok" smear campaign as their favorite counterargument), I'm notifying in advance that I will not be watching, reading or replying on this forum page again, and I will instead reply to direct questions by email. Edward Chernenko (talk) 23:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I personally do not have any conflict with you (my account in 2009 was Pogrebin, I was inactive at the time), I can remind you about the user Pyaniy Mutant, and others you blocked for artificial reasons for virtuality, although she didn’t even hide her face in video conferencing. These people write great articles. If your sense of taste does not perceive their humor, then this is just a matter of your personal sense of taste. We are not going to harm you at all, we have an alternative platform for objectionable (qualitative) authors. Regarding virtuality. Moving Absurdopedia has the backbone of 10 administrators and authors who are familiar with each other through an instant messenger and, and some, personally. I declare responsibly that there are no fake puppeteer users in this team. If AnMeta is not familiar with the Russian language, then this does not mean that it is possible to pass out a conspiracy theory as true (the Wikireality project remembers everything). Anatoly and I (as the most unemotional participants) are ready for an open dialogue on any neutral ground. Preferred in Telegram. At least at the level of exchange of views. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Summary[edit]

Three days ago, we finally moved to the new website at https://absurdopedia.wiki. We’d be grateful if you add our interwiki «olb» (Олбанский) to the Main Page UnMeta. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 07:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Unconfirmed[edit]

Greek (el - frikipaideia)[edit]

The Greek wiki is not so inactive and I was able to find a bureaucrat who edits regularly. I passed the invitation. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

But I do not think that will last long. We need you to decide where you are going because Wikia has already closed your wiki. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Off-topic discussion of existing non-Wikia sites[edit]

(off-topic) The Dutch and Norwegian Illogicopedias[edit]

As I virtually manage it, I would like to declare that the Dutch and the Norwegian Illogicopedias will move to Miraheze.--The Pioneer (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Dutch (oncyclopedia.org) never was Wikia and is unaffected by all of this. The same is true of Norwegian-Bokmal (ikkepedia.org). No need to fix what isn't broken. Carlb (talk) 03:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I'm talking about Illogicopedias here, as mentioned above.--The Pioneer (talk) 03:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
None of the Illogicopedias are currently on Wikia, so none are affected. Carlb (talk) 01:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
OK, I will withdraw this idea because it was based on my mistunderstandings. Sorry for that.--The Pioneer (talk) 05:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

(off-topic) Traditional Chinese Uncyclopedia[edit]

We somehow have a “Traditional Chinese” Uncyclopedia, which seems to be currently hosted on Carlb's server and separate from the Fandom one, and I'm a sysop there. I used to complain about some problems but it was abandoned. Will it be affected? Shall we think about migrating it to somewhere? Though I'm not sure if anyone have the ability to do it.

We also somehow have a “Cantonese” Uncyclopedia, which is also hosted on Carlb's server, but there is currently no active users there, though I'm a bureaucrat there.--Abcabc2 (talk) 13:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, we all know it's the case with Carlb's, which is why we are helping you guys moving out as well. Carlb is not capable of handling all the issues, which both uncyclopedia.co and Miraheze, among with several local communities of Carlb's uncycs agree. You may move out and post it here.--The Pioneer (talk) 14:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
The Cantonese one is probably dead now, so I won't care about it for now.
The strange thing is, there are at least four entrances to the website:
All entrances except the “Hong Kong” seems to have cache problems. Our community is rather small and probably don't know much about technical things. Let me collect some FAQs:
  • If we don't do anything, will the website be closed?
  • What advantage do we get if we choose to move?
  • If we choose to move it, would it be possible to keep the URL(s)?
  • Will it be merged with the other Chinese uncyclopedia(s)? There are some disagreement between the users of the two uncyclopedias, and probably that is why we split.
That's all I can currently think of. Let me inform the community first.--Abcabc2 (talk) 15:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
As those are not Wikia/Fandom hosted Wikis, there is no deadline. If you do nothing they will simply stay as is. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 15:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Technically it's up to Carlb. He might set up a deadline if he agrees to shut them all down and leave it to Miraheze or .co--The Pioneer (talk) 01:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
There are political reasons why Taiwan (uncyclopedia.tw) and PRC (zh.uncyclopedia.wikia.com) must remain separate from each other which have nothing to do with Wikia per se - the mainland government is actively blocking access to Taiwan (and a few other) Uncyclopedias because the régime does not like the content. Carlb (talk) 03:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Some users concern about if this Uncyc is going to be closed, and some users think that it is on an independant server, and I initially misintepret the introduction of this page as “Carlb's Uncycs are going to be shut down as well”.--Abcabc2 (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
(To Abcabc2) The similar thing also applies to the Japanese Uncyclopedia. It looks like Carlb has been using multiple domains, at least for those two communities.--The Pioneer (talk) 01:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
No, this Japanese Uncyclopedia you're running on Miraheze is a fork. It is not ansaikuropedia.org/ja.uncyclopedia.info under another domain name and I have been constantly deluged with demands from both warring factions to recognise "their" side of the conflict over the other one. I have no idea which side in this dispute is right or wrong as I don't speak the language but no, the non-Wikia projects hosted here are not going anywhere. Carlb (talk) 03:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, what I was trying to say was that your Japanese Uncyc have several URL entrances as well. Sorry for being vague and thanks for your explanation.--The Pioneer (talk) 06:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

List of dead Fandom Uncycs[edit]

Some of the Uncycs are found to be dead (or running without active admins). We should also deal with these. Not all, but most of them haven't even received the message.

I'll add more as soon as I find them.--The Pioneer (talk) 14:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)added.--The Pioneer (talk) 14:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)re-added.--The Pioneer (talk) 14:44, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I know someone from Beidipedia, but one person does not a community make. If this changes I will make sure to direct him here. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 15:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Here's the list of where I went.

The ones that were inactive I didn't message (there was no one to read the notice):

The ones I messaged were:

Spademanns has long said that they are not an Uncyclopedia version - they parody a TV show, not Wikipedia. That's not to say there's no problem with their content, that's not settled yet, but I didn't include them with this group -- Sannse (talk) 20:33, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, OK, thanks for your comments (though I wonder what will happen to Spademanns, because clearly the Uncyc side still regard it as part of our members).--The Pioneer (talk) 01:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know, Spademanns is a parody of Lademann's Leksikon, a reference book. I have no idea how active the project is or what their plans are to move. Perhaps, as a precaution, anything that isn't already subject to some other plan to relocate to a new server should be dumped on xx.uncyclopedia.info <where 'xx' is the language code> and the images also transferred, so that our options are left open should someone want to take over the project later?
How would I go about obtaining current database and image dumps for all of the Uncyclopedia-related wikis that Wikia is throwing under the bus? For that matter, what is to become of the uncyclopedia.org and uncyclopedia.de domain names, now that Wikia is Fandom and not a fan of our style of humour any more? Carlb (talk) 03:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I had a long friendship with the Spademanns bureaucrat but I believe he is dead. The least I can do is go there, introduce myself to anyone on the project and offer help. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I suggest that all uncys who have an official social networking account informs you what is going on and who should keep these accounts in the case of the transfer. It is natural to have to rectify than having to create a new fanpage. If it is impossible in the cases of twitter, I think it should be prudent to zero the content and start over from scratch. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

There's already a Latin Uncyclopedia on Carlb's server, so I don't think we'll be missing much if the Wikia version is closed. I don't know if there's content there that's not on the other one, though. Would be good to check and probably import it if so. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 07:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

A similar issue applies to Nynorsk, which used to be on Wikia and moved years ago. Both versions are completely dead, the active Norwegian project is no: (non-Wikia, not affected). Carlb (talk) 08:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

An addendum, I had contacted a Spademmans administrator (in 28 February) but he only answered me yesterday. I will see if I still review the situation. Unfortunately, it tells me that the wiki is abandoned with 1 or 2 edits per day. He does not seem to be aware of the problem. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps that is because Spademanns is not slated for deletion by Wikia at the current time? Nonetheless, the wiki is all but dead - and the content censorship is not helping. Carlb (talk) 03:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
From what I've noticed months ago Frode Fennis has not edited since 2015 and his facebook accounts have apparently been standing since that time which I assume has passed away. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:46, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately I discovered that Oisquipedia remained bifurcated even though it was transferred to UnMeta and with some but little activity. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

It's been dead for at least a year. I've archived a dump and imported what little is there to oc.uncyclopedia.info; there have been no edits to either version in months, so it's just a question of preserving the data if Wikia/Fandom eventually closes this (which they've stated no immediate intention...) Carlb (talk) 04:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Contact of a wikia/fandom user[edit]

I have a question, there was a feature on wikia to send an e-mail to an user from his/her profile or discussion page. Does this possibility still exist or have it been canceled during changes last year? 2A00:1028:8382:5FFA:B89D:57B9:E694:3870 19:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

On behalf of the participating UnMeta staff[edit]

Well, I'm appalled at what happened. I do not think it would be the day I got this kind of problem and for some time I've been following these events and I do not blame them, I think the Wikia administration has lost a lot with these changes and this type of content restriction due to the European laws.

Well, I agree to participate in the dialogue by giving at least the guarantee that what would be agreed with Nonciclopedia last year still can be valid in the case of the change of wikis here. 2 hours ago I sent an email to Carlb requesting that I participate in the forum as soon as I saw this topic in the recent changes as part of my vigilance and therefore being informed about the case.

But I'm being told about Carlb having to shut down his servers and the communities that are not being heard (ah, how did he want to see Alhazred come here to say that as Desciclopédia is the largest wiki should be communicated) and Ansaikuropedia or Hikipedia? or some that contain between one thousand and two thousand articles, or even Desgalipedia-Çciclopédia, and illogicos? Wikinet and Wikimerda? We would listen, what would happen if at least one of these gigantic wikis came to UnMeta. We could not therefore fulfill this measure of disconnecting the servers as to the problem of bifurcations there are cases of at least 3 DP wikis that are not recognized by the main site that are in UnMeta. We would listen, what would happen if at least one of these gigantic wikis came to UnMeta. So we could not fulfill this measure of disconnecting the servers on the bifurcation problem are there cases of at least 3 DP wikis that are not recognized by the main site that are in UnMeta, what is their right to take these undesirable bifurcations?

I still cite an example of how long ago the Uncyclopedia is uncomfortable in the server problems and those resulting from the changes in MediaWiki. Are you going to give them the opportunity to create a vote that there, knowing full well, will take 14 days to be decided? This has to be discussed between them right now. I'm not on their side, and I care little about their feelings since my blockade but if we're all going to sink into a huge Titanic I hope this time everyone will have a lifeline and not see anyone in the third class (laugh). Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Technical process, porting of images[edit]

German Uncyclopedia here. Wikia has provided a dump that could be imported with another hoster, but the dump is without images. They said they could not include the images in the dump due to copyright reasons, which would mean that we would have to export and import all images manually (uh-oh). Does any of the suggested new hosters offer a simpler solution here? Any ideas welcome. --85.16.161.183 11:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC) (NBK)

Enabling URL upload will make it a lot easier for you, because you won't have to download and re-upload them. Maybe it's possible to write a script that automatically fetch image and do that, but I'm not sure about it.--The Pioneer (talk) 12:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean by "enabling URL upload"? How do we do that? Collecting the urls of 6000+ images would still be a lot of manual work. --85.16.161.183 14:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Enabling upload doesn't address the issue of getting the images in the first place. I've been through this once (with Italian Nonciclopedia, after the forced Wikia reskin and before it became clear that what this Wedhro person wanted was a wiki no one could edit - or even read - and the whole mess ended up on Miraheze instead). My approach was to import the XML text into a new MediaWiki installation first; once I had that, I could extract a list of the images which were needed by looking directly at the database. The individual paths did need to be run through some MD5 function (so Wiki.png becomes images/b/bc/Wiki.png for instance) - the actual code could be determined by looking at the open-source PHP from MediaWiki, which is freely available. I then generated and ran a huge batch file requesting each image, one by one. Another alternative would be to see if the archiveteam.org tools could do the job? It looks like they can get the images.
There are other issues; the user list and deleted pages are not in the XML dump, and whatever Wikia made available on Special:Statistics as the download link points in some cases to data which is two years out of date (or the outdated links don't work at all). I have no idea if Wikia has any plans to co-operate with the communities to ensure a smooth transition. There's also the question of what will happen to domain names, including uncyclopedia.org and .de? Carlb (talk) 15:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Wikia has declared to cooperate with us and at the same time refused to provide a full export, in other words, this is an empty promise. The question of the domain names is unclear. I am not able to do the scripting that would be needed here. I have no idea what to do now. --85.16.161.183 18:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hey. In order to take with you all the downloaded pictures, a friend of Absurdopedia wrote a script that allows you to extract files from the wikiproject. To help the entire Uncy family, we decided to share the script with everyone who is forced, like us, to move from Fandom. Maybe it will be useful for you. https://github.com/ArtUshak/Wiki-Export --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Technical information from the Uncyclomedia.co/Illogicopedia hosting team[edit]

Basically: we're on it, we're fifty shades of distracted, and we have no PR so I'm just sort of posting this notice at random, but we are currently working on making space/figuring out what all will be required on our end to take on any new projects, as well as what to expect from the process, user-side.

For those who want to do their own thing: We can provide recommendations. In particular, our process for moving wikis should be pretty portable: the scripts are available in wikimedia's gerrit, and documented on mw.org, so if you want to use those and have any questions/run into issues, please let us know.

For projects interested in having us host: We are more than happy to do so, as it will help us justify why we're maintaining our servers and stack in the first place. The plan is to follow our standard move process, basically what en.uncyclopedia.co and illogicopedia.org did a few years back. We copy over all content via db dumps, api, and whatever, using the scripts mentioned above. Each project shouldn't take more than a couple of days, but during any move process I would recommend keeping page moves and deletions in particular to a minimum - we can rerun revision and file imports to get new edits done during the duration easily enough, but moving things around is a bit more difficult to handle.

Things to consider:

  • We will handle the actual move process for you, you just need to actually agree to it and give us whatever access you decide on, and be willing to put up with the fact that we haven't done this in awhile and might take a few tries to do everything perfectly.
  • All visible content will be maintained. This includes files, full revision history, and logs.
  • We can also copy over deleted content, but this requires project permission to do so - in particular, we will need a local admin account to actually access it, and whether or not you want to provide this may depend on why you've deleted things in the first place (probably not, but I don't know what security policies you might have).
  • User accounts will not be copied over as a part of this, but it is possible to enable an extension for users to import their wikia account settings as part of the login process, if they choose (essentially, you log into the new site by authenticating via wikia's api, and then the account info is imported at that point)
  • All projects will default to a lang.uncyclopedia.co url, but can use any other url they have access to as the canonical url by pointing it at the server and telling us about it. We can also set up other subdomains of any other domain we own as well, if you, say, want something shorter (like, I dunno, des.uncy.org or something).
  • We are running MediaWiki 1.32, with some extensions on 1.33/master. Some content will break (especially DPL). We generally maintain either current LTS or the most recent stable release, as determined by our whims, random security concerns, and how homeless our sysadmins are at the given moment.
  • The servers are hosted mostly in france, occasionally in canada, and not in germany because we have too many swastikas on them already. This probably won't affect you, but if you think it might, let us know.

I'm not the greatest at community outreach, so I'll just leave this here in the hopes that someone who is can forward anything needed to their actual projects and/or direct them here. ~ Pointy.png 00:54, 1 March 2019 00:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi there, German uncyclopedia here. "We will handle the actual move process for you" sounds great to me, since at the moment it seems we cannot do it ourselves. Did you read what I wrote in the section above? Wikia has provided an XML dump but it is without images. We have no direct access to the DB, and Wikia refuses to export the images for us. That's where we are stuck at the moment. Would you be able to solve this by scraping the images somehow? --91.248.251.221 12:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Aye, the grabber scripts get this via the API. ~ Pointy.png 13:26, 1 March 2019 13:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I've already downloaded the German images using the archiveteam.org WikiTeam tools; they're here if you want them. Carlb (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
That sounds great, thanks to both of you. I will try to move forward with a decision for the German uncyclopedia. The community has not been very active in the last years but we would be very unhappy if our project simply went down the drain. --91.248.251.221 15:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Athyria, the German uncyclopedia has decided to take you at your word and to ask you to move the German uncyclopedia to Uncyclopedia.co/Uncyclomedia.co. What do you need from us to proceed? Can you simply set it up and hand us the key? :) (You do not need to worry about current edits, the wiki activity is at an all time low anyway) --37.138.78.208 15:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Domain settings for wikis moving to the .co server?[edit]

You have been FANDOOMED!

So where do I point inciclopedia.org if they've decided to move to your server? I currently have the domain as a redirect, which points to the soon-to-be-dead inciclopedia.wikia.com. Carlb (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I´m a little bit confused. This section concerns Uncyclopedia or Miraheze? Uncyclomedia is Carlb´s site? Who is who? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.103.70.131 (talk • contribs)
Actually here we are talking about the Lyrithya's server which answers for Uncyclopedia.co and illogicopedias. You should try just the section below to. What exactly is your doubt? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Basically, the procedure for handling Uncyclopedia projects escaping from Wikia to Miraheze (as an example) looks something like:

  • The affected community (whatever).wikia.com reaches a consensus to abandon the sinking FANDOOM ship; they make a request for a wiki at whatever site they're moving to, providing a link to the text and image dumps and whatever custom domain name they want to use. Odds are, (whatever).org might exist if User:Carlb registered a pile of these years ago and redirected them.
  • The new host imports the text and images; this might take days if the wiki is huge.
  • The name servers need to be set on the new domain (for instance, ns1.miraheze.org and ns2.miraheze.org for wikis moving there)
  • Each individual Uncyclopedia (or group of Uncyclopedias) needs to update its Special:Interwiki table to point the "In other languages" sidebar links to the new project. That means contacting uncyclopedia.co (Lyrythia), uncyclomedia.org (Carlb), stupidedia, kamelopedia, uncyclopedia.kr, absurdopedia.net, whomever. We might be best just to make a list of who went where and send the whole mess to the individual language site admins at once?
  • Any lists of Uncyclopedias (such as the uncyclopedia.info main page, Wikipedia's article on Uncyclopedia in various languages, WikiIndex, WikiApiary, whatever we can update) needs to be updated to point to the new address instead of "This Wikia has been closed. You are FANDOOMED." or whatever ugly garbage is left behind when we leave.
  • The Mediawiki:Sitenotice Whatever replaced Mediawiki:Sitenotice on this rubbish forced reskin needs to be changed (before Wikia kills the project at the end of the month) to tell everyone the site moved.
  • The community, in its new home, then has to go through the task of every user registering again, of verifying that User:SoAndSo on the new wiki is actually User:SoAndSo on the old project, giving them back any janitor, rollback, bearcrap bureaucrat and other flags (as the Wikia dump includes no userlist).

What's the corresponding procedure for a move to the .co server? I presume most of this stuff is the same, but if Inciclopedia wants to use inciclopedia.org with their new site, what needs to be put in the DNS settings to point that domain to Lyrythia? Carlb (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Right, for moving to .co, we'll need the following:
  • consensus (duh, or some other owner agreement, if applicable) (though we might also make some backups of others if there's time, which there probably won't be)
  • a decision what to do domain-wise (we'll default a <lang>.uncyclopedia.co domain, but if you need us to manage another, or tell someone specific when to update the dns, we'll need to know)
  • wikia-side admin access for user:Haydrahlienne so we can get all the stuff faster/get the deleted stuff (seriously, it's like an order of magnitude faster even before we start doing fancy RAM speedups)
  • a point of contact or some such to actually, you know, contact about this stuff, things that still need to be done otherwise like videos, whatever, testing...
  • not sure, but as long as we have that last one, we can get anything else at that point anyway

Thanks. -— Athyria 14:52, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Stuff likely to break on upgrade to MW 1.31 or 1.32[edit]

Wikia deploys only the finest of antiquities, such as MediaWiki 1.19.24. The emigration from Wikia to any site which has a current MediaWiki installed will break things:

  • A few specific extensions, like mw:Extension:LogoFunctions, are broken under the current MediaWiki. Many aren't available on Wikia, so can be safely ignored, but a few pitfalls exist:
    • One extension to watch: <DynamicPageList>. There are three different extensions with this name or tag; Wikia used mw:Extension:DynamicPageList_(third-party) while most non-Wikia Uncyclopedias have mw:Extension:DynamicPageList3. In some cases, a query which got an immediate response in DPL2 times out or fails in DPL3; not good if it's on a frequently-used page.
    • The <createbox> extension is deprecated as <inputbox> now has the same or comparable capability.
  • Sitewide or user-specific Javascript. MediaWiki gadgets and various bits and pieces may be broken by this: mw:ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_(users)#MediaWiki_1.29. Chrome/Chromium browsers are particularly annoying in this regard as, when they hit a JS error (such as "addOnloadHook" no longer existing), they display an entirely-blank page.

If something doesn't look quite right after import, before blaming the database dump or the new server, check whether whatever you're doing relies on outdated MW code or outdated extensions. This is likely true wherever you go, as most servers will be running current code. Carlb (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Who is responsible for iws?[edit]

Hello, who is responsible for settings of interwikis? Some interwikis for cs: on other uncys still point to wiki and some interwikis at our for other languages also point to wikia. --- Karkos 16:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

And also, domain de.uncyclopedia.org is still redirected to wikia. --Karkos 17:05, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Each wiki is responsible for their own interwikis. You can make changes using the Special:Interwiki on your own wiki (sysops only). ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 18:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Each individual project (or whomever is hosting those projects) will need to update their interwikis. pt:Especial:Listar privilégios de grupos lists "sysop" as able to do this, while fr:Spécial:Liste des droits de groupe only lists bureaucrats as able to change Special:Interwiki. Miraheze has a separate group and Wikia locks out everyone but their own staff from doing anything. In all cases, the owner (or sysadmin) of the server would be able to create a batch file which updates `interwiki` on the database of every wiki on that server at once - which may save time. I've been using this to get outbound interwiki links to sites like cs: de: fr: he: and en-gb: updated system-wide here (there are many dead or dormant wikis on this server, which otherwise might never be updated). Of course, there are independents (like ko:, bar:, nds:, pl: and ru:; it will be necessary to contact the operators of each of those sites individually once we have a full list of where everyone moved - as every site linking to us will need to update.
There's also the problem of updating the article names for those links; we used to run a 'bot script mw:Manual:Pywikibot/interwiki.py which would do things like "if es:agua links to fr:eau and en:water links to fr:eau, link es:agua to en:ẅater" but that hasn't been run in years and the configuration files bundled with it are as outdated as every other list of Uncyclopedias. I'd looked at mw:Wikibase (which Wikipedia uses to move all their link target data to wikidata.org) but it would require some tinkering to get this to work at all on a non-Wikimedia site and it would only handle outbound links from a group of wikis on the same server - so adding an :fr: or :cs: link to a page on :pt: would create an outbound link but wouldn't cause those pages to automagically link back to :pt: (from a different server).
Sadly, the problem goes further still: if (whatever).wikia.com is just reporting 410 GONE "This wiki is closed" instead of honestly disclosing "This wiki has moved to (whatever).org - an external side outside Wikia" then the only way to mitigate the damage Wikia has done is to do a web search for every web site on the planet which mentions or links to any of the affected projects, clicking whatever "contact us" link is provided, then politely asking the operator of that external site to update the links to us... one by one. Odds are, most of those enquiries will be pointedly ignored and we'll never recover what we've lost to Wikia's malice against our project.
As for de.uncyclopedia.org? Its fate is dependent on who gets uncyclopedia.org, which should belong to en-gb: but which is still pointing to Wikia. Until Wikia releases the names to the en.spoon community, the de: links will have to point to another domain like https://de.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/$1 which is up and running now. There's also some chance that uncyclopedia.de will attempt to get their name back from Wikia; OTOH I've gotten nothing but silence on desencyclopedie.com and a couple of other names which are infringing the Desciclopédia mark. Carlb (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I updated it at our site. Please make the others to update it also.--Karkos23:34, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Warnings from other wikis[edit]

The main problem of the Uncyclomedia Foundation is that it most likely can not have a large share in the Canadian market and that is why some Brazilian wikis wish to leave..

I have an obligation to warn that according to the agreement of the users of Wikimerda and Malucopédia (they are the same in both sites) we are making a vote to migrate to Miraheze. As well as merging both communities. The reason is the chronic problems of the servers and the possible answers of UnMeta to solve them.

One note, (for The Pionner) the Galician version created by the same creator of Wikimedia and that would be eliminated without mercy by Wikia will be transferred directly at the request of the successor bureaucrat, which in this case is me. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 13:46, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

The downtime this morning was the result of a hardware upgrade.
In any case, there's not much point in speculating whether Galician would eliminated without mercy by Wikia if Galician was never hosted by Wikia. If you do decide to move desgalipedia.org to desgalipedia.miraheze, you will lose your existing user list (as Miraheze uses their own unified list for all of their stuff) and will need to move any images currently on UnCommons into the local wiki. Not sure what happens to pages you've deleted or old versions of images where there's a history.
At the moment, my first priority is to archive a dump of everything Uncyclowikia-related (text and images in downloadable format) to https://download.uncyc.org ; that should keep the actual data out of harm's way while the respective communities decide what to do next and where to go from here.
The claim that Wikia was "created by the same creator of Wikimedia" is little consolation, though, given how they've treated the Uncyclopedias which were hosted there through years of ad-heavy forced reskins, content censorship and interference in the autonomy of individual projects. While it's very regrettable that they're holding domain names (like uncyclopedia.org) so no one can use them and leaving just "this wiki is closed" instead of a proper explanation that the community has gone elsewhere, at least this long saga will soon be over and done. Carlb (talk) 19:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
So you are backing up all of Uncyclopedia.wikia.com on your servers Carlb from 2005 to 2019? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Romartus (talk • contribs)
Yes, I'm using the archiveteam.org scripts to grab the text and images, which I'm putting up for download on https://download.uncyc.org/wikia - this process will be completed today. Carlb (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
The warning I gave was by the Brazilian wikis Malucopédia and Wikimerda, and I did not consider this measure even though Desgalipedia had been created on Wikia in 2009. I understand that you explained the case as an example, but if I had no pretense after the confusion forming in the two polls and Miraheze's remarks on Check user, wiki control, etc. I do not recommend. But my concern has been whether the servers are able to absorb these wikis without giving some problem of paralysis. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 14:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
@Carlb, the Galician version that I quoted would be the Galician version of Wikimerda that Renan Jackson created it and was abandoned. Yes, it was created as a test.
@Romartus, yes it is possible because it did when Desgalipedia left of Wikia and came to UnMeta in November 2009.Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 14:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
On a slightly different note, where do I create a signature file here? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Romartus (talk • contribs)
Well, the same way you created your signature here :D Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 18:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze Concerns[edit]

I would like to know the financial status of Miraheze, as well as any outgoings to staff of Miraheze. I do not believe Miraheze is a sustainable future for Uncyclomedia projects and the communities being ejected by Wikia Inc. will be better suited to persuing either an independent solution or hosting on Carlb.

I would like to know how Miraheze aims to sustain itself with the increased running costs it will incur, assurances that Miraheze will not adopt a corporate identity along the lines of Wikia Inc., information about any dividends paid to staff such as The Pioneer, and the level of freedom that any Uncyclopedia will have being hosted on Miraheze. Independent, Carlb and Uncyclopedia.co has the ability to do what it wants - how will Miraheze seek to accomodate? Carlb 21 (talk) 19:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze is a group of volunteers using donated funds to rent space on RamNode virtual servers. They're a tiny operation that has only been around for a few years; they wouldn't be paying "dividends to staff" as they are not a commercial business. The info is posted on their site if you get bored enough to read it.
So far, they look to be more flexible than Wikia in that they use the standard stock Vector/MediaWiki skins instead of Wikia's ad-heavy eyesore of a design (our parody has to look like Wikipedia), they seem reasonably willing to add requested extensions and they allow communities to register and use their own domain name - so (whatever).org instead of (whatever).wikia.com or (whatever).fandumb.com. Apparently there was one incident http://nonsensopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum%3AWiadomo%C5%9B%C4%87_od_Fandom&diff=1523810&oldid=1523700#Regarding_the_Fandom.27s_kicking_of_Uncyclopedias where Miraheze mistakenly imported a huge chunk of Nonciclopedia (it:) text into Nonsensopedia (pl:) but overall, they seem reasonable.
It's unfortunate that nothing like this existed in 2005-06 when the first Uncyclopedia Babel projects were being created.
Also, speaking of trolling, could you please pick another name instead of trying to post as me? Carlb (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh that explains something over at Wikia Unc. Carlb has been impersonated there as well. (Apologies for not getting my sig sorted) The preceding unsigned comment was added by Romartus (talk • contribs)
I believe that the desciclopedia.org, ansaikuropedia.org, uncyclopedia.info and uncyclopedia.tw going from to Miraheze can break the servers, but I also worry when uncyclopedia.co, inciclopedia.wikia, desencyclopedie.wikia and absurdopedia.fandom do the same at the same time as this was imposed by Wikia. In addition, Nonciclopedia requested so many changes that literally complicated the errors of the servers as blank pages as happens in Desciclopédia and Malucopédia. In the meantime, I still trust my site in the administration here. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 23:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Did you mean uncyclopedia.wikia, as uncyclopedia.co is independent and is offering space to others (such as inciclopedia) at the moment?
I'm not sure what to make of Nonciclopedia. What's the point of creating a new wiki if it's just locked down so that no one can edit or read beyond the first page? Carlb (talk) 00:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I did mean uncyclowikia... ¬¬ Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
As Carlb said above, Miraheze runs on voluntarily basis, and I'm not paid for that.--The Pioneer (talk) 05:18, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I do not know if it would be better to review both Desgalipesta (Galician version of Wikimedia) and Desligapedia (Galician version of illogicopedia) for Miraheze or here. I notice certain problems that were not supposed to happen as the disuse of <choose><option> this being an argument in the vote on the transfer of Malucopedia and Wikimedia to Miraheze as well as its merger. I believe that in the future, as Aset said that it can be solved, but for the immediate case of a wiki change, that's a negative point. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
What?

I would like The Pioneer to become aware of this fact. I've seen Zombiebaron comment on this and I think it's very serious that we entrust our wikis to a server that at one time or another goes without its funds and without working conditions would eliminate a lot of people's work for years. I understand that your servers need the right tools just as your volunteers should be rewarded but nothing is so difficult when things get seriously difficult and there is no way to sustain a nonprofit business without money. And yes, I believe there will be a serious financial crisis and we will all have to use bitcoins and use the mark of the beast. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze published financial reports for the last 3 years:

It's true: Miraheze only have reserves for eight months more. They also had an almost 100% deficit last year and their donations fell 50% relatively to 2017. Slow (talk) 20:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow, they are tiny. Their entire operating expenditures are $189.65/month and their income is less than that? Carlb (talk) 17:17, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
What? Just this misery? They are poorer than a mouse. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 05:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, though this might be a concern, I believe that staff will make a staff donation before our budget runs out (which has been the case so far). The thing is, we run on donation and we simply need it on a continuous basis, which most wiki users simply forget. However, I do not know about financial issues of others, and to be fair, we need a comparison with other hosters (Carlb and Lyrithya) on it.--The Pioneer (talk) 15:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Carlb does not allow us or does not talk about any donation. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Desciclopédia position[edit]

In the name of Desciclopédia (the Brazilian-Portuguese Uncyclo), the biggest uncyclopedia hosted by Carlb with more than 50.000 articles and tons of images, templates and users, I'd strongly recomend Carl server to you all. The only disadvantage is the slow answers about possible errors and problems. But besides that we had only good times, we've never had issues with content censorship, advertisements polluting the layout, or tyrannies in general.

So, just to make it very clear Desciclopédia's position. We are staying in our current server for as long as Carl wishes. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 23:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the consideration, but so far Inciclopedia chose Lyrythia's servers while 2 small uncys (Arabic and Czech) chose Miraheze. It is so far the only great Uncy of this server that came here and so I invite you to participate in the UnMeta Discord where the subject is being discussed. Note, do not think that the invitation is from me but from Zombiebaron (administrator of Uncyclopedia.co) who plans to reunite the existing forks. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 01:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
PS: And the Polish uncy will leave Miraheze because the server is not trustworthy. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png
The information: 2 small uncys (Arabic and Czech) chose Miraheze is not exact. The Czech Neyclopedia did not accepted any final decission yet, but its preferences are tending more to accept Lyrythia's server hosting (Uncyclopedia). Foxy
Why Rhubella have this strange necessity to answer every post here (and mostly with inaccurate, redundant or useless information)? ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 14:33, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Someone reported that Lyrythia had made up her mind, my apologies. And the answer I posted was to clarify the situation. Because there were people suggesting it until we shut down our servers and everyone went to Miraheze. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 15:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

DescicloWikias?[edit]

Do these Fandom laws work for you anyway?

I have a question about two illegal Desciclopedia bifurcations on Wikia. Will these wikis be eliminated? And would there be conditions to absorb them? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:45, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you sure that Carlb will host all those dead Uncycs? Dysk is also planning to host them on Miraheze, and we may, if you aren't willing to. We need to be sure before we approve his requests.--The Pioneer (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
If the dead wiki is part of this project (ie: something we'd normally have linked to in the "in other languages" sidebar), odds are that I've archived it.
These two, however, are not part of this project. I don't believe that the pair of "fake" Desciclopédias on Wikia are part of the list of wikis that Wikia/Fandom is shutting down and none of our projects link there. I shall not be linking to them, archiving them or doing anything with them.
Any dang fool can go to Wikia, to Miraheze or to any of a number of wiki farms and request just about anything. Creating xx.desciclopedia.wikia.com (for whatever language xx:) may infringe the Desciclopédia® name or content, but that doesn't make these wikis part of Uncyclopedia.
I don't intend to provide outbound inter-language links to Miraheze wikis unless there is an active community and the main community has moved to Miraheze. For instance, there's no reason for me to link to nonsensopedia.miraheze.org if the main community is now on nonsa.pl; there's no reason for me to link to ansaikuropedia.miraheze.org if the main community is here at ansaikuropedia.org. Carlb (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
According. (I start to think that what is left of Desgalipedia Wikia and DGbackup abandoned since November 2009 will still be there...) Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Uh, to be specific and clear, do you already have backups for the listed wikis here? And what do you mean by (or how do you define) "main community" (For example, you de-linked Uncyclowikia on your wikis far before this happened, but it has been at a higher position than .co according to Google, and has more articles, to be fair. The policy of the Japanese fork is to avoid these complicated problems by recognizing as many Uncycs as possible using different language codes, such as en-gb or de-formal.)?--The Pioneer (talk) 02:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
To be honest, understanding the reasoning is that giving these interlinks means that we are recognizing the bifurcations and every possibility of reunification goes underwater. We already have 3 communities with this problem, and now a fourth (Uncyclowikia) is deciding to do the same. Aside from having an old troll come here to try a fifth fork. What we have are users who do not like other users or even administrators who have some enmity. I could take over those follies of DP articles, since I am a banned user in the official version but for what? I have two wikis as a bureaucrat and more than 9 as an administrator, in addition to the obligations that make me walk through Illogicopedias and versions of Wikimerda. Why seek scabies to scratch me? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:04, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Uh, it was actually a question to Carlb.--The Pioneer (talk) 04:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

So how do we set the Sitenotice?[edit]

It looks like Mediawiki:Sitenotice was broken when Wikia foisted the ad-heavy Oasis reskin on everyone. That's a problem if the old wiki needs to say not "this wiki is being moved to fandumb.com" (which is the current banner) but "this wiki is being closed" and the location of whatever new project off-Wikia has replaced it.

I was only able to find this, which looks to only display a notice for one day: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:474997

Are there any better alternatives over there? Carlb (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I still think that users and readers should be warned by their respective official social networks and communities. I do not think Wikia will make life easier for many administrators and users. The bifurcated versions think they already know the situation and some think about reuniting. The conversation is very advanced in the discord, we could do the same in each social network. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 23:35, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Nonciclopedia solved this problem in the way I described. I believe that if everyone agrees until the time of the official closing of the wikis they can all put well highlighted in the main pages on the change to this or that server with the new address. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Deadline is near, but not even the half of every articles are imported[edit]

Someone said that the deadline for importing was 31st of March right? But there's still around 7000 articles in Tolololpedia that has to be imported. Since i can't use my laptop i'm using my iPad's iCloud drive. And everytime i tried to import a file larger than 600 kb, it keeps failing to import. The second admin (Mesincuciuddin) is rarely active. And if i tried to import all pages, those ship articles like this will also get imported...... --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

May submit a request to the Phabricator https://phabricator.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/7/ But they are doing it extremely slowly. --Тэйтанка-птекила (talk) 07:31, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Wait a minute, how can phabricator staff export pages from wikia? --Pradiptamf (talk) 10:31, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
In fact they are importing the pages of Wikia. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 10:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
@Rhubella_Marie i created a new task but it seems it haven't been responded. Here's the task: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T4219--Pradiptamf (talk) 02:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I would have guessed that he was soon to be the Phabricator but he did not expect Miraheze to fail in that. Try talking to the Russian users of Absurdopedia, I think user Тэйтанка-птекила mentioned a solution. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
So that means Phabricator can't import my wiki?--Pradiptamf (talk) 03:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The "someone" who set the 31 March deadline was Wikia. That's an issue if import of pages on basically every Uncyclopedia wiki currently being imported to Miraheze has crawled to a snail's pace. Tolololpedia's stats (with four days left to deadline) currently look like [1][2]:

  • Content pages: 2,308 of 9,127
  • Pages: 4,372 of 49,178
  • Uploaded files: 172 of 16,165
  • Page edits: 69,907 of 218,775

...and a few others are just as far behind. There are a few related discussions open on Miraheze, but none look good:

The import looks to be running, but it's unlikely to be completed soon enough for you to put a notice on your existing wiki to tell users "We've moved to tolololpedia.miraheze.org" or "We've moved to tolololpedia.org" or wherever you finally decide to go if the "new" wiki simply isn't ready on time. I've been grabbing as much data for the affected projects as I can (so the content won't be lost, and can be put back up here if all else fails)... however, if all that appears on 1 April is This wiki is closed with no explanation where everyone went (and that's all Wikia is giving us) then how will your users ever find your new project (or any of the others affected by the Miraheze delays) in time? Carlb (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The kicking has started[edit]

"There will never be a sudden, drastic change. It will always come in the form of a gradual phasing in, or small steps which only appear large when taken together. Just like with the frog in "An Inconvenient Truth," when thrown into boiling water it jumps out. But when put in normal water that gradually increases in temp, it does not notice. Its for this reason that we cant wait for a sudden, drastic change - because Wikia is never going to do something so big. Therefore, you must look at all additions, and ask yourself if they make Uncyclopedia a better site. If they do not, why should we keep our dislike for them secret? Why tolerate these bite sized bad additions, if, when taken together, we would have rejected them? Lets not get slowly acclimated to mediocrity and useless detractions from our content, we should recognize their uselessness, and accordingly reject them."

~ Sir Rangeley 21:49, 12 June 2007 on en:Forum:Wikia Spotlight

"I think where I fundamentally disagree with Rangeley (and I accept his point from IRC that I am biased) is that I disagree that what's good for Wikia as a whole isn't good for Uncyclopedia. If these ads help some other wikis we host grow and thrive, then that boosts the company as a whole, which feeds straight back to Unyclopedia in stability, features, staffing, and so on. It's a two way relationship, and that means give and take on both sides. Yes, I understand Rangeley's froggy fears. And yes there will be change - and over time that will add up to big changes. But I trust that will be of benefit to Uncyclopedia and the rest of Wikia. The only way I can get you to share that trust is from your knowledge of me and the others involved in the company, and from seeing the changes we make and our reactions to your feedback."

~ sannse 10:46, 13 June 2007 on en:Forum:Wikia Spotlight

Now wikia is kicking the inactive Uncycs like Ndhablek and Goblogpedia. But Tolololpedia is still open. --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like the list of wikis which have gone dead exactly matches Sannse's list of "ones that were inactive" that she "didn't message (there was no one to read the notice)", namely: keinziklopedie, ndhablek, goblogpedia, ikkjepedia, valenciclopedia, nunyepedia and necyclopaedia.
So what happens if Miraheze doesn't complete the import in time? Should I take my local copy of the content and put it back online as tolololpedia.org (or the corresponding domains for the other affected projects) when the Wikia version goes dead? Carlb (talk) 04:57, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Another question, the dead wikis have a mirror version already prepared? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 08:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, they're ready... Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 08:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

A second batch have been kicked off: Eincyclopedia (he), beidipedia (ar), frikipaideia (el), necyklopedie (cs), necyklopedia (sk), neciklopedio (eo), absurdopedia (olb/ru). The only affected projects still online today are en-gb, pl, it, fr, es, de, zh-cn, id. Carlb (talk) 23:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

It's a pity, I wanted to have helped a bit more in the Greek version. The bureaucrat was editing with a regularity once every week or 10 days. The way is to contact him in some conversation with the Wikia administration. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 02:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A third batch have been kicked off: Uncyclopedia (de), Inciclopedia (es), Nonciclopedia (it) and Nonsensopedia (pl). The final four still standing are en: fr: id: and zh-cn: Carlb (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Désencyclopédie (fr) just got crucified today, on Good Friday (crucifiée, le Vendredi Saint). Tolololpedia (id) was crucified at its side. Pontius Pilate must be proud. Carlb (talk) 20:39, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The Arab uncy was only moved to save itself, would have the same fate of the Greek uncy if the administrator was not warned in time. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 00:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Tolololpedia is still accessible[edit]

It is weird that i can still access Tolololpedia Wikia? --Pradiptamf (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

While it lasts. (It looks like they shut down the dead ones first.) In the meantime, the import to Miraheze has all but slowed to a stop. On March 27, the stats were [3][4]:

  • Content pages: 2,308 of 9,127
  • Pages: 4,372 of 49,178
  • Uploaded files: 172 of 16,165
  • Page edits: 69,907 of 218,775

...and a few other wikis moving to Miraheze were just as far behind. As of April 5, the numbers aren't really any better:

lang wiki Content pages All pages Uploaded files Page edits
ar beidipedia 1,332 of 1,329 5,782 of 5,785 0 of 2,253 51,197 of 50,709
eo neciklopedio 0 of 4,634 19,462 of 23,756 0 of 9,405 19,462 of 192,419
id tolololpedia 2,364 of 9,140 4,902 of 49,209 366 of 16,178 71,614 of 218,905
it nonciclopedia Not a public wiki. (Wedhro, either fix it: or let someone else deal with it:)
zh cn.uncyclopedia 8,368 of 9,054 34,589 of 60,015 25,433 of 44,794 40,959 of 297,656

Wikia staffers have been seen skulking around the few remaining wikis, chomping at the bit and asking to pull the plug. Once Wikia closes your existing wiki, you will have no further opportunity to tell your users "we're moving" or tell them where you have gone. You will just get This wikia has closed and a big fat HTTP 410 Gone error. I need to know where to point tolololpedia.org but there doesn't seem to be a viable option yet. What's your contingency plan? Carlb (talk) 04:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

"I'm sorry, I can't do that. The best I can offer is a week with the wiki locked and the main page notice up. After that, we don't want to look like we are still hosting or promoting the wiki"

~ Sannse

This was Sannse's response to Marquii in the version of Wikia Uncyclopedia. For me this does not satisfy anybody who wants to leave Wikia and only confirms Carlb's theory that they want to throw out all wikis. Another thing, I noticed yesterday that the bots of the uncyclopedias on twitter still give links to the articles of their wikis in Wikia. This has to be reprogrammed. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 15:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

"(Wedhro, either fix it: or let someone else deal with it:)"

~ Carlb

We're opening our new website to the public in a few days.--Wedhro (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Will it be complete, or will it be missing some images, pages and revisions? On every Uncyclopedia-related Miraheze wiki I've looked at, there are issues with missing content. Two of the wikis have no images at all, one of them has no edit history and most of them are showing discrepancies in page count. I revisited ar: eo: id: zh: today and see only a very small amount of progress in importing the data, meanwhile Wikia has already shut two of the five projects down and will be killing the others soon. Even the wikis which Miraheze has forked have fewer pages than the corresponding main projects:
lang wiki Content pages All pages Uploaded files Page edits
ja-fork Miraheze fork vs. ansaikuropedia.org 6,164 of 20,307 13,139 of 108,468 36 of 16,234 19,659 of 1,426,974
pl-fork Miraheze fork vs. nonsa.pl 18,252 of 19,082 55,403 of 65,403 9,767 of 9,363 1,055,609 of 1,522,392
I won't be linking to the projects which are merely forks (ie: incomplete copies of projects which are available elsewhere) but some hard decisions will need to be made about all of the imports which Miraheze has failed to complete. They've had more than a month and can't continue this way. Carlb (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Interwiki table[edit]

This is the unclaimed baggage carousel for any wikis you may have left behind (as en: and ru: already exist as forks, the spoons appear here as en-gb: and olb:). Please add the URL of the new wiki to the list if it's missing:

ISO URL Project Status
Independent
pl https://nonsa.pl/wiki/$1 nonsensopedia
olb https://absurdopedia.wiki/$1 absurdopedia
Miraheze
it https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/$1 nonciclopedia
zh https://uncyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/$1 (some content incomplete?) cn.uncyclopedia
Uncyclopedia.co
cs https://necyklopedie.org/wiki/$1 necyklopedie
de https://de.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/$1 (TBD - requested uncyclopedia.de [preferred] or de.uncyclopedia.org) de.uncyclopedia
en-gb https://un.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/$1 (address TBD - requested uncyclopedia.org) uncyclopedia (spoon)
es https://inciclopedia.org/wiki/$1 inciclopedia
fr https://desencyclopedie.org/wiki/$1 desencyclopedie
he https://eincyclopedia.org/wiki/$1 eincyclopedia
Inactive projects
ar Archive to https://ar.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 (beidipedia.miraheze.org is missing all images) beidipedia
ast Archive to https://ast.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 nunyepedia
ca Archive to https://ca.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 valenciclopedia
el Archived to https://frikipaideia.org/wiki/$1 frikipaideia
jv Archive to https://jv.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 ndhablek
oc Archive to https://oc.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 oisquipedia
sk Archive to https://necyklopedia.org/wiki/$1 necyklopedia
su Archive to https://su.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 su.goblogpedia
yi Archive to https://yi.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 keinziklopedie
la Duplicates https://la.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 necyclopaedia
nn Duplicates https://nn.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/$1 ikkjepedia
Other
da (Not slated for closure - a copy exists at spademanns.org) spademanns
id https://tolololpedia.org/wiki/$1 (a tolololpedia.miraheze.org is incomplete) tolololpedia
eo https://neciklopedio.org/wiki/$1 (a neciklopedio.miraheze.org is incomplete/no images) neciklopedio

There are also some non-Wikia projects which are dormant (or no longer active) but are still hosted here; in general, language xx: will be on xx.uncyclopedia.info (and not its own individual custom domain) if the project in that language is long-abandoned. Carlb (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

What happens to other humor wikis hosted by Wikia?[edit]

Such as Unanything, Harkipedia, Bezsensopedia, etc. (Unanything admin asking.) Because I have an interest in migrating Unanything off of Wikia hosting. KamafaDelgato (talk) 01:29, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I can tell you for sure that Bezsensopedia is completely unaffected, not sure about other projects. Bezsensopedia is the kind of "nice and polite" cousin of Uncyclopedia (in my personal opinion: horribly boring and not funny at all), so I think Fandom doesn't have much against it. If you haven't received any notice yet and your wiki is still standing… I guess it will remain there. Magwac (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
I do not know how many of you but I think there may still be a mass fugue of wikis on Wikia. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
... or not. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
The mass exodus has been going on since 2008. Wikia's recent actions have only made it worse, but it's nothing new. Carlb (talk) 19:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
This exodus has worsened as Wikia/FANDOM has gradually modified its policies on images or content containing some kind of legal action against the publisher or the wiki where the content is edited. And I believe that it may be further worsened by the application of Article 13 in the European Union in relation to search engines as it gives grounds for anyone to require the withdrawal of such content under copyright claim. I have seen protests on Wikipedia several times and they themselves believe that it can affect freedom on the internet.
Now, on any wiki that even though it is not affected by the change in attitude on the part of the Wikia administration, I fully understand that the reason for leaving can be related by the skin change that makes wikis look more like a blog than the a wiki and, this was the reason for leaving at least 2 uncys (Russian and Italian) and almost quit Nonciclopedia. If anyone is dissatisfied with this kind of problem I think it's just the exit of Wikia in favor of another server farm. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 09:29, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Account problem on id.uncyclopedia.info[edit]

So someone made this, an copy of Tolololpedia that has more than 8000 pages, unlike the Miraheze that has only 2300 pages. But when i tried to log in, it says my password is incorrect. When i tried to change password, it says there's no registered email for me. I tried to create a new account but it says the username has been taken. What should i do then?
--Pradiptamf (talk) 02:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

First of all, the id.uncyclopedia.info is a file from the saved version of Carlb from the Wikia version since before the version closes after the deadline day. In this case, what must have happened in your Miraheze account is that you should not have put an email when you created the account there or you even had to create an account with a different password than you used on Wikia and could not remember it. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,811 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 11:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
I'd grabbed what I could from the old wiki, but Wikia does not provide the userlist and e-mail addresses. I also can't grab deleted text or images unless you give me 'sysop' status on the old wiki before Wikia shuts it down - which they are likely to do at any time now. I did grab the text, revision history, images, whatever was available using Lyrithya's mw:Manual:Grabbers. You could try logging in with your old userid/password, but if it still keeps asking you for id: it would probably be best just to create a new account and ask me to merge it with your existing account manually?
It's unfortunate that Miraheze didn't finish the import on time. I'm seeing the same issues with some others, such as Esperanto, which they were supposed to have imported a month ago but which are only partially complete. This certainly doesn't leave you much time to post a conspicuous notice on your old site (before it goes dead) to tell everyone you moved. Carlb (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Well, i'm not a native english speaker, so i'm a little bit counfused now. Can you simplify it? And i have a little problem now. The current bureaucrat haven't give me the bureaucret role but he never give any extension or changing the logo
--Pradiptamf (talk) 13:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
  • It's possible to change the logo (at least on id.uncyclopedia.info) by uploading a new logo as Image:Wiki.png. On Miraheze, I think only the bureaucrat can change the logo, from the "configure this wiki" page.
  • Try logging onto id.uncyclopedia.info with your old username and password. If that doesn't work, make a new user under some other name.
  • On Miraheze, the user list is shared with other Miraheze wikis. There is no way to copy the user list from your old wiki to Miraheze. If your name is taken, choose another.
  • A bureaucrat should be able to move your contributions to your new name or merge the accounts.
  • The saved version on id.uncyclopedia.info has all of the text and images, except for items which were deleted on the old wiki. If you want me to download the deleted items, you will need to ask a bureaucrat on the old project to make me a sysop and let me know (e-mail: carlb at kingston net) before Wikia shuts the wiki down.
  • When Wikia closes your old wiki, there will be nothing to tell people visiting your site that Tolololpedia still exists. They will just see "this wiki is closed" and think that it is gone forever. You have to put a big message on the front page (or somewhere everyone will see it) on your old wiki, before they close it, saying that you've moved. Carlb (talk) 15:56, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
The bureaucrat that i said was the bureaucrat on Miraheze. And is an .info account mergeable with the wikia account? Because i want to ask a bureaucrat to merge my account
-Pradiptamf (talk) 01:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
I can merge your imported Wikia contributions with your .info account if you like. Have you logged onto .info? Carlb (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
I have logged in. My .info account name is Nordster
--Pradiptamf (talk) 09:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
I see that you've created three new users (Nordy, Gretscho, Nordster). I've moved your imported contributions from Pradiptamf to Nordster. Is this correct? Carlb (talk) 20:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Nordy and Gretscho were my test accounts. And can you warn these users (this, this, this, and [5])? I've warned them but it seems that they haven't responded
--Pradiptamf (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
And one more thing: I was an admin in the wikia. But i'm not an admin in the other sites (except Miraheze. Like the .info and tolololpedia.org)
--Pradiptamf (talk) 00:55, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Are you sure? http://tolololpedia.org/wiki/Istimewa:Daftar_pengguna/sysop looks to have whichever users were admin on Wikia. Carlb (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Now can you please help import this user's contributions (Wikia account name: Mesincuciuddin)? He was an admin in the wikia
--Pradiptamf (talk) 11:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)