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Forum: Proposal to close the mirror Uncyclopedias
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Per much of what Rhubella Marie outlined in this previous forum, I'd like to formally propose that the mirror Uncyclopedia(s) [en] [others?] be closed and taken down:

  • Not useful as a mirror
    • No longer updated since early 2010
    • It's editable both by users and IPs - this makes it prone to vandalism and spamming
  • No active admin presence
    • Vandalism does not get reverted
    • Spam does not get removed
    • Takedown requests regarding copyrighted material, slander, and other potentially sensitive material go ignored
    • Pages deleted from the main wiki for reasons of copyright, slander, etc also remain
  • Copyright concerns
    • Per above, there is no oversight of content
    • Plagiarised and uncited content can be copied over with impunity
  • Attribution concerns
    • Due to the nature of exporting/importing mediawiki pages, usernames that don't necessarily match the same users on the other database are retained; this does not meet the attribution requirement of the CC licensing.

I am posting the same proposal on the English Uncyclopedia in the hopes of achieving a winder consensus, as this should concern them as well, and I encourage any of the rest of y'all who think the same may apply to your languages/projects to do the same. ~ Pointy.png 07:58, 22 January 2012

Vote: Close the mirror Uncyclopedias?

This voting is closed. 8 people voted: 5 valid FOR (62,5%) , 3 ABSTAIN (37,5%). The consensus of this community is in favour FOR deleting the mirror Uncyclopedias.

See our voting policy for voting rules.

What voting policy? I never voted for that. ~ Pointy.png 19:15, 22 January 2012
Score: 5
  • Per proposal. ~ Pointy.png 07:58, 22 January 2012
  • For -- Sir Zombiebaron (talk) 08:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Abstain Useful as backup to stop, infected with spam on the other hand. As I said on the english Uncyclopedia, if a group of people wanted to take on the role of maintaining the site as a backup then why not? ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 09:59, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Abstain One thing is a vote here in UnMeta, the other is a votção Uncyclopedia where I see the number of disagree most favorable to the elimination of these wikis. Also, I have a duty to inform you that this community is made up of users from other wikis, and may render the discrepant results in the two communities. Therefore, I abstain from voting. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,177 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 15:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
    And I'd argue that this is all one large (if fragmented) community, so why not all vote our piece, wherever we are? It can all be added up in the end. ~ Pointy.png 19:14, 22 January 2012
  • Comment I want to vote in favour for deleting, because it has become a magnet for spammers. However I've requested several times to close it down for anonymous users or even shut it down, Carlb didn't react. If this is for a backup, he might download the whole wiki again, because the content of this mirror is really outdated now. Carlb started these wikis (plural because the German and the French wikis are also mirrored) right after that Wikia argue in June-July 2010, because of a kind of protest (I think). We can hold votes, but what will it help if Carlb himself is not in favour? ;-) Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 16:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
    Perhaps if we get a wider consensus that will help? I've also sent him a poke regarding this topic, so perhaps he'll have something more definitive to say.
    And as for the other languages, please, link them here, and if possible, could you also contact their communities? This can/does concern them same as the rest of us, and as such their input would be appreciated. ~ Pointy.png 19:14, 22 January 2012
    I first want to read a clear explanation of Carlb why he made the mirrors, because I don't want to tell something wrong to the other communities. I must come up with answers when they ask questions. And so far nor the French nor the Germans have even discovered the mirrors or do know what I'm talking about :p Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 20:30, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
    Oh dear... yeah, in that case, waiting for that might be a good idea. >.< ~ Pointy.png 20:40, 22 January 2012
  • Abstain I didn't see a plausible explanation. I know most abandoned uncyclopedias. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 17:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
    Unlike the abandoned, inactive projects, however, these are copies of active projects, and potentially damaging to those due to the sorry state they're in (could draw away users, or give people the wrong idea, that sort of thing). ~ Pointy.png 19:14, 22 January 2012
    So, I think the Uncylopedias who feel injured is the ones who should voting about the elimination of yours respective mirrors, not the UMeta. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 03:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
    Oh! And remember, "abstain" isn't equal to "against". And I can chance to "for" after I learn more. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 04:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
    So that's not what UnMeta is for, discussing this sort of thing? What is it for, then? I was just pointing out that these one are, unlike the others, not just pointless, but also redundant and indeed capable of causing harm, to whoever. If someone does opt to sue over a copyright concern, it'd be the uncyclomedia-hosted (carlb) sites that take the damage, being on the same servers, and for more general content concerns, well, that just hurts whoever the content pertains to. Probably not anyone we know at all. ~ Pointy.png 04:42, 23 January 2012
    Relax, I still can change my vote. And you're absolutely right, but discussing is different to voting and decide. By the way, how many mirrors exists? There is, for example, a mirror of Desciclopédia? ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 04:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
    Three, that I know of on this end... not sure why any of them were created, actually.
    Whether or not you change you vote, I'd certainly rather the en-Uncyclopedians stop being idiots. And to any those might be reading this who wants to keep the thing, yes, I just called you an idiot. Good day. ~ Pointy.png 21:45, 23 January 2012
    Thanks for the compliment. Really helped me to form my opinion. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 08:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
    That was not directed at you, but en-uncyclopedians saying it most certainly should be kept for various reasons that simply do not make sense - for instance so things can be undeleted, or because too much is deleted on-wiki already or because... well, honestly, I'm not entirely sure just why some of them are so against getting rid of it. 'FUCK NO' is not exactly a descriptive reason. ~ Pointy.png 09:16, 26 January 2012
    And yeah, maybe that was a little unfair, but sometimes people just are idiots. Knocking sense into them can work. Sometimes. I guess. ~ Pointy.png 09:25, 26 January 2012
    To finish this issue, I'm now in the same line of Cartoonist, waiting Carlb says if the mirros have some utility that we don't know although I'm tending to vote "for". ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 10:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
    You may want to try asking him directly, actually - when I emailed him myself, it was more vague and mostly just directing him to this forum. Since he hasn't commented here despite having been on the wiki since, a more specific question might receive more of a response. ~ Pointy.png 04:57, 29 January 2012
  • FOR. They are ghost wikis, only representative versions. Uncyclopædiavu'wI’RENAN340contributionsThe best of Spain 22:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
  • For. There is no reason for them to exist. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 23:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  • For, it's useless serverspace, they are just double, not active most of the time, and what not. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 22:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. I did a google search for 'uncyclomedia' and the sixth thing down was the english mirror site, description: "TODAY IS ALICIA KEYS BIRTHDAY!!!!! Keys.jpg. UU UU UU UU UU UU nn nnnn ccccccyy yy cccccc oooooo ak fsm gggggggg UU UU nnnn nn cc yy yy cc oo oo ..." ~ Pointy.png 19:44, 25 January 2012
  • For as per reasoning on Uncyc. PuppyOnTheRadio (talk)
    Sorry to undo your vote, but new accounts do not have vote permissions here. Please read UnMeta:Policy#Voting_policy | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 11:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
    It's cool. I'm still for, but in a more spiritual sense. I did make a change to one of the mirrors before. this is an example of some of the issues in content. PuppyOnTheRadio (talk)
  • For. Whoa I'm late for the party. Pour me two drinks quick. No, three! --Black Flamingo 22:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikia mirrors

Just bringing it up, before I forget. Could someone contact Sannse about this (since she is lurking around on Uncyc)? Have tried many times, not writing to her again | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 21:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikia mirrors (wikis on Wikia created after creation of the original wiki)
  • - Reciting Carlb, Desciclopedia is a Canadian registered trademark. He spent hundreds of dollars, just to have it back from cybersquatters. So any use of this name could result in somewhat complicated situations for Wikia ...
  • - Redirects to the Nynorsk version, but the name of Ikkepedia (mind the missing J in Ikkjepedia) should point to the Bokmål Norwegian This redirect should be re-redirected (to or deleted.
  • ...
Considering that Wikia probably has as much reason to want carlb's mirrors taken down as you and others would want their mirrors to close, perhaps a show of good faith would help all sides of this. One thing at a time, however. ~ Pointy.png 21:11, 22 January 2012
I'm not going to start a heated debate here, but these Wikia mirrors are a lot older than these mirrors of Carlb. Maybe the mirror wikis are the sort of things Carlb used as a big stick, knowing sending requests for deletion don't help. I'm just assuming something and I hope both sides will have a listening ear for it. This time, however, I'm not the guy who can bring these people together (I'm fed up with Sannse and the community mail, someone else has to do) | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 22:38, 22 January 2012 (UTC)