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I'm one of Japanese Uncyclopedia user (already permanently blocked). I am concerned about the future of ja.uncyc. But we can not discuss this on ja.uncyc.

Japanese people could not read or write English well. We want to talk this topic in Japanese.

This forum is haven or refugee camp or GiE for Japanese Uncyclopedian.

日本語版アンサイクロペディアは、一部の管理者による独善的な管理と不正確なLTA認定によって過疎化が進んでいます。 有力な利用者たちは理不尽な理由でLTA認定を受けて無期限ブロックされるか、危険を察して自ら去っていきました。 新規利用者に対する過剰なチェックユーザーと不正確なLTA認定による無期限ブロックは、新たな人材の流入を阻害して過疎化に拍車をかけています。




  • 排他的ではないこと … 過去にLTA認定を受けた人も、現管理者も、議論を破壊するような行動(言論以外の行為)をしない限りは、議論から極力排除しないでください。
  • 多数決は極力取らない … 投票は、投票権を誰に与えるか、あいつは誰のソックパペットだ、などの面倒な問題を引き起こしますし、公平公正さを求められます。投票は必要最小限に留めて、慎重かつ確実に行うべきです。


このような議論を始められるような立場の人間ではないのですが、今のアンサイクロペディアの状況を放置することは忍びないと思い、勢いで書き始めています。 あまり熱心な方ではないのでサボり気味になるかと思いますが、よろしくお願いいたします。--法っておいて (talk) 18:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The Japanese version of the encyclopedia is becoming increasingly depopulated due to self-management by some administrators and incorrect LTA certification. Leading users have either been granted LTA certification for unreasonable reasons and have been blocked indefinitely, or have left for fear of danger. Indefinite blocking due to over-checking of new users and incorrect LTA accreditation is impeding the influx of new talent and spurring depopulation.

I've been worried about this situation, but with the opposition to the management system to be LTA certified, it will be almost impossible to normalize the uncyclopedia with the survivors.

We need a place to discuss this situation in a calm environment. The place of discussion does not have to be UnMeta, but I did not think of any other suitable place for kickstart, so I will rent one here.

Personally, I would like to use the following policy to advance the discussion.

  • Not exclusive… Please do not remove as much as possible from the discussion unless you have been LTA certified in the past and the current manager does not disrupt the discussion (other than speech).
  • Voting will take as little as possible… Voting can be a nuisance, such as giving who you have the right to vote, who is your sock puppet, and demanding fairness. Voting should be done carefully and reliably, keeping it to a minimum.

Participants do not have to be bound by this policy, but they do so by reference.

I'm not the kind of person who can start such a discussion, but I don't want to leave the current situation of ja.Uncyclopedia, so I'm starting to write it. I am not a very enthusiastic person, so I think that it will be a little skipped, but thank you. --法っておいて (talk) 18:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I will allow it, but it will be necessary for you to translate the topic so that we administrators and other users know what it is about and that there are no secret conversations for those who do not know your language, ok? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 21:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
I would also like to suggest that if more users wish to notify the UnMeta community in Discord and discuss the matter with users from other uncys. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 21:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
返答ありがとうございます。そしてこのページを受け入れてくれてありがとう。友人である翻訳家のGoogle Translate氏の協力の元、できる限り翻訳していきます。正直、あまり頻繁に議論に参加する余裕がないのですが、問題点を整理して解決策を探っていきたいと思っています。
Thank you for the reply. And thank you for accepting this page. I will translate as much as possible with the help of my friend, translator Google Translate san. Honestly, I can't afford to participate in discussions too often, but I would like to sort out the problems and find a solution.--法っておいて (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


In order to return the Japanese Uncyclopedia to the humor site again, I need your help who love the Japanase Uncyclopedia once, and who still in love enough to visit this page. Please help Japanese Uncyclopedia.--法っておいて (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

My question is how can it be helped, did you think in any way?/私の質問は、どのようにそれを助けることができるかということです、あなたは何らかの形で考えましたか? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 05:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • 引退状態の有力な利用者にまず議論に参加してもらう。
  • 議論に思わず参加したくなるような議論を展開する。
といったところです。--法っておいて (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
This is a difficult problem. Similar issues have been raised several times in the past and promised to normalize the management system. But the situation is back and is getting worse. But we can only do the same thing. It is to point out the problem and normalize.
Of course, there is a force approach that asks Carlb to renew the administrator. However, even if the management system is renewed, if it cannot be maintained stable, it will not be possible to overcome the current situation. After all, it is necessary to build a system where users cooperate and change the situation.
Nothing changes if only the outfielder discusses what to do with the current Uncyclopedia. However, the current Uncyclopedia severely restricts new users from joining. It is extremely difficult to change from the inside where no new wind blows.
So, if somehow the active influential users can participate in external discussions, that will bring out the actual forum of the Japanese Uncyclopedia outside. In there, everyone can proceed with the discussion without the influence of the distorted management system.
The question is how to get the current user to participate in the discussion. In the current situation where participation in such discussions can be a factor in blocking posts, it is extremely difficult to get them involved. What I can think of now is:
* Invite potential retired users to participate in the discussion.
* Develop a discussion that makes users want to participate in the discussion.
. -法っておいて (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

日本語版アンサイクロペディアの問題点 (Problems of Japanese Uncyclopedia)

異論が排除されたコミュニティ (Community with no objection)





プロキシ規制で数の論理による不正を防ぐはずが、異論を唱える利用者を排除した結果、数の論理で管理者に都合の良い結果しか出ない状況になってしまっています。この状態は明らかに間違っています。--法っておいて (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

The Japanese Uncyclopedia severely restricts the use of proxies.

I don't think it's correct to block just by using a proxy. (I'm a proxy user too ...). If you're humorous without messing around, you should have no problem whether it's through a proxy or a sock puppet.

The only reason why there are restrictions on proxies and sock puppets is to prevent fraud when voting. Sock puppet multiple voting skews the voting results, and the logic of numbers can manipulate the results in a convenient way.

As a result of the tightening of proxy regulations, what happened to the Japanese Uncyclopedia? Only innocent users who do not act remain. In the current voting, the number of people is too small to meet the conditions for voting, and the conditions are loosened by the administrator's discretion.

Proxy regulations should prevent fraudulent use of the logic of numbers, but as a result of eliminating users who disagree, the logic of numbers has produced only results that are convenient for the administrator. This situation is clearly wrong. -法っておいて (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

『LTA:XYZ』の問題点 (Problems with "LTA:XYZ")


  • 『LTA:KOSHIN』を改称しただけである。
  • ブラウザのUser Agentを偽装していると主張している。
  • IPの偽装をしていると主張している。(プロキシサーバでもVPNでもない、本当の意味での偽装です。)
  • 『LTA:XYZ』を制定した管理者は、アカウントが『LTA:XYZ』であるかどうか判別することができると主張している。

ここで疑問なのですが、keycaptchaを解決しつつIPを偽装し、アカウントを登録することが可能なのでしょうか?(と、アクセスログに痕跡を残さないようにする。) もし不可能ならば、無差別にアカウントを封鎖しているだけでしょう。

There is a classification called "LTA:XYZ". However, there is a major problem with this.

  • This is just a change of name from "LTA:KOSHIN".
  • claims to be spoofing the browser's User Agent.
  • claims to be spoofing the IP. (It's not a proxy server, Tor or VPN, it's really a spoof.)
  • The Administrator who enacted "LTA:XYZ" claims that it can determine whether an account is "LTA:XYZ".

I have a question, Is it possible to disguise the IP, resolving the keycaptcha, and register an account? (and leave no trace in the access log.) If that were not possible, he would just be indiscriminately blocking accounts.--A Gurglet (talk)

In the last few months, I believe that because the same vandal attacked wikis linked to UnMeta using various puppets and the whois obtained from the countless checks always determines indeterminate locations between Japan, Hawaii or even the west coast of the United States. So far, the main charge against Muttley has been improper checks. I can't judge him because I don't know Japanese, Carlb has the same motivation in a way and we have our hands tied. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 20:43, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I will give you new links about Japanese Sysop.

Muttley and Demian.--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:A4B5:61CF:F337:A58 23:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

参考:借井戸/2018_01-06/荒らし対策と管理者間の議論 (#誤認ブロックと今後の管理者ルールについて)
例えば、ja:LTA:XYZで書かれているLTAの特徴とされる単語や句読点の誤用は誰でも間違うようなものですし、小中高生の利用者には特によくある特徴だと思います。IPアドレスで投稿するのは新規利用者の登録が著しく制限されているからです。こういう一般的な特徴からひとりの人物像を導き出してLTAと決めつけるのは明らかに誤認ブロックを招く行為です。--法っておいて (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I think Muttley's problem is that he believes in the intellectual information obtained from CheckUser and others, and doubts all public behavior of users. Demian is a user who has been active since 2009 and has been a sysop since 2013. Suspecting such a user looks like a lack of calm.
Muttley was also the administrator of Japanese wiki site chakuwiki, but since several users complaining of misidentification block occurred, the site owner actually met the victim in real life and Muttley's misidentification block Has been certified.
See also:借井戸/2018_01-06/荒らし対策と管理者間の議論 (#誤認ブロックと今後の管理者ルールについて)
Muttley's management attitude remains the same as that of chakuwiki at the time, and it seems that misperception blocks continue to occur in Uncyclopedia even now.
For example, misuse of words and punctuation marks, which are the characteristics of LTA written in ja: LTA: XYZ, is something that everyone mistakes, and it is a feature that is especially common to users of elementary, junior high and high school students I think. Posting by IP address is because registration of new users is significantly restricted. Deriving an image of one person from these general characteristics and deciding it as an LTA is an act that obviously leads to false recognition blocks. -法っておいて (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
追記:Bakaba氏がアンサイクロペディアにはアカウントを作成していないと言っているのにも拘らず、思わせぶりなことを書くアンサイクロペディアのBakabaアカウントは放置されています。通常であれば管理者が事情を聴くはずですが。その後2時間もしないうちにMuttley氏は浮上している(他の管理者は深夜だからか浮上せず)のにも拘らず、最近の更新を見れば一発でわかるのにも関わらず見落としていたというのも不自然な話です。利用者ページが不自然にシンプル(=自らの特徴をバレにくくしたい利用者がよくやる行動)で思わせぶりだというのも怪しいと思いません?なお、チャクウィキにおいては、Rxyを騙る利用者がいて、当時のチャクウィキのCUが不正にかばっていたという説を現管理者のBakaba氏が唱えておりまして(リンクはチャクウィキのCUページにあります。最近の更新からお探しください。)、丁度、Muttley氏(→「'」→「"」に改名。その後、LTAとしてBakaba氏によって無期限ブロック)もCUだった時代です。これらの情報が何を意味しているのか、興味深いところですね。--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:F927:1516:A6F4:89AF 06:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
追記の追記:Muttley wrote new information.He atacked chakuwiki.If iformation from Muttley's userpage is real,why (maybe)LTA:Muttley can get sever information? If it's real,all ucyclopedia projeck's have no future(Other="no Japanese" ucyclopedia has already lost future because there are little(=poor) edit.). So I won't see Uncyclopedia. See you,never again. See you uncyclopedia.--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:14A0:C743:1F0E:7525 03:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
追記の追記の補足:アーカイブを作成しておきました。このページに記されていることは上記のMuttley氏の特殊な立場に関することです。--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:D42B:4EB8:C2DE:9A26 13:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Please, I already asked you to translate the text into English (even if you use the Google translator imperfectly) so as not to create a local forum that can be manipulated./操作できるローカルフォーラムを作成しないように、テキストを英語に翻訳するように(Google翻訳を不完全に使用している場合でも)お願いしました。Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 04:07, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Postscript: Sysop of Chakuwiki and Bakaba of CU have not created an account on Uncyclopedia, and wrote on the user page and user talk page that Bakaba is not claimed as a wiki other than Chakuwiki. However, an account in the name of Uncyclopedia Bakaba, which claims to be "Sysop and CU in a Wiki", has been left untouched. Despite the fact that the administrator would normally hear the situation. Less than two hours later, Muttley appeared on the Uncyclopedia (but no other admins appeared, not unusual given that the time was night). Despite this, it is unnatural to say that the latest update overlooked it despite knowing it in one shot. I don't think it's suspicious that the user page is unnaturally simple (= a behavior often done by users who want to make their characteristics less sensible) .In Chakuwiki, some users impersonate Rxy, Current manager Bakaba claims that the Chukwiki CU at the time was fraudulent (the link is on the Chukwiki CU page. Look for recent updates). It was exactly the time when Mr. Muttley had CU authority and acted. The former BC, CU and Sysop were deprived of their authority because of "to respond to criminal charges." Bakaba then blocks Muttley as an LTA indefinitely. It's interesting what this information means.
Muttley of the Japanese version of Uncyclopedia and Muttley of Chakuwiki are the same person.
I supplemented and changed the expressions into synonyms so that I could understand the English speakers.I also added a Replenishment for those who do not know the situation.--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:9D88:C57B:A341:223A 11:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Postscript(2):However, an account in the name of Uncyclopedia Bakaba, who claims to be "Sysop and CU in a Wiki", has not been blocked or renamed.
These are Translated from Japanese.--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:9D88:C57B:A341:223A 11:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Muttley氏が見れる生ログというのは恐らくCloudflareのログだと思います。 多分、Muttley氏は日本語版アンサイクロペディアに限定されたログを閲覧できるようにしてもらってるんだと思います。 Carlb氏がMuttley氏の事を、ログを見る許可を与えるほど信頼していたというのは正直驚きました。 これには翻訳なしでは日本語でのやり取りを理解してもらう事が難しいという状況が影響していると思います。 Carlb氏に日本語での議論を翻訳してまで読む程のモチベーションがなければ、Muttley氏の一方的な言い分が日本語版アンサイクロペディアの総意であると誤って伝わってしまう事はあり得ると思います。 Muttley氏が閲覧できるログの範囲は、Carlb氏が所有する全てのサーバーのログではないと思いますし、そうであると信じたいです。

Muttley氏はどうやら4月に大規模な投稿ブロックを計画しているようです。 今の状況でこれを止めるのは難しいかと思いますが、何とかして止めたいという方が居るのであれば一つだけ提案をしておきます。 Muttley氏がBCとCUに就任した際には、サイトの現状を鑑みて投票成立条件を独断で緩和しています。 これと同様にサイトの現状を鑑みた上で、コミュニティからの同意を得られると考えられる範囲であれば独断での権限発動は可能かと思います。 恐らく失敗する公算が大な気がしますので、戦って死ぬのか、ある日理不尽に殺されるまで生きるのかは皆さんの判断にお任せします。

このフォーラムページの寿命も尽きてしまった感じなので、余程の事が起こらなければ、この投稿で最後にしようと思います。 アンサイクロペディアはなくなるの? というのは、ソニーのベータマックス広告のパロディーでした。なので最後はこう締め括らせてください。



これからもアンサイクロペディア。 ユーモアはフリー。--法っておいて (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

The raw log that Muttley can see is probably Cloudflare log. Perhaps Muttley has made it possible to view logs that are limited to the Japanese Uncyclopedia. It was surprising that Carlb trusted Muttley enough to give him permission to view the logs. I think this is due to the fact that it is difficult to understand the exchange in Japanese without translation. If Carlb doesn't have enough motivation to translate and read the discussion in Japanese, it's possible that Mr. Muttley's one-sided statements could be mistakenly conveyed as the consensus of the Japanese Uncyclopedia. I don't think that the range of logs that Muttley can see is the logs of all the servers owned by Carlb, and I believe it is.

Muttley apparently plans a large post block in April. I think it is difficult to stop this in the current situation, but if there is someone who wants to stop somehow, I will propose only one. When Muttley joined the BC and CU, he arbitrarily eased the voting conditions given the current state of the site. In the same way, considering the current situation of the site, I think that it is possible to arbitrarily activate the authority as long as it is possible to obtain the consent of the community. I think it's likely that you will fail, so it's up to you to decide whether to fight and die or to live until you are killed one day.

The life of this forum page has been exhausted, so if this doesn't happen, I'll finish it with this post. Is Uncyclopedia gone? That was a parody of Sony's Betamax ad. So let me conclude at the end.

Is Uncyclopedia gone?

The answer is of course no.

Uncyclopedia will continue. Humor is free. -法っておいて (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Information work of JAUCP's LTA.

Plaese show Forum:About Information-work of JAUCP's LTA. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Muttley (talk • contribs)

When I asked him to defend himself several times, I was referring to that kind of thing. I ask you, what is the word of an administrator if you deliberately come here, erase data presented by the prosecution and ask to erase evidence in UnCommons? Do you think by chance that here is Brazilian justice under the leadership of Sérgio Moro where you can do these things?
I reiterate that I did not take any position in favor of the prosecution, and the only thing I see is that you come here and erase evidence. I must remember that among the accusations that weigh against you are several improper user checks that in many wikis is an offense and subject to loss of your administrative tools. If the user in question is in fact a vandal, prove it at once by sending the checks that prove that user's IP share or otherwise any administrator (I do not speak for myself) will understand that he is, yes, manipulating this forum in his favor. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 3,434 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 07:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Muttleyさん、ここにそのリンクを附け加えた理由をご説明願いますか? Mr.Muttley,please explain your action(edit) about link.--2400:2410:C1C0:5600:74FD:A930:62D5:83 11:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)