User talk:D. G. Neree

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Hello everybody. very funny welcome. scared the hell out of me. Bad conscience I guess.. I came here to ask something about the servers. Could anyone here help me with this? D. G. Neree 19:27, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

MediaWiki:Noarticletext would be the offending message. As for servers? here you go... --carlb 17:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh... I don't remember. I think it was even more scary, or maybe I've grown a bit numb since that time. Beautiful server btw. (DG looks under it) But... where are the wheels? D. G. Neree 19:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It's designed for a 19" rack. There are rails on each side, and it is built so that it just slides out on rails if there's ever a need to move the data. The small drawers on the front of the unit hold the actual database - each is 3½" wide but should hold almost three-quarters of a terabyte if you pack all the tiny 1's and 0's inside very carefully. :) --Carlb 20:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It's beautiful. Did you buy it, or are you going to? D. G. Neree 20:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It's sitting here now - this photo was taken at my home. I'm just waiting for the data centre to return my pair of Opteron 2210 processor chips so that I can test and install; everything else is ready. This computer should make a good database server as it has plenty of space available. --Carlb 00:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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I am quite ignorant when it comes to technical stuff, but it seems to me that all wikipedias would have space for a game of football in there with a storage capacity like that. D. G. Neree 14:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, i shouldn't hav mentioned that disgrace of a site D. G. Neree 20:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hoi DG[edit]

Hoi DG :) Ik zal kijken of ik vanavond / vanmiddag tijd heb om hier even te gaan klussen! Marco 09:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Prima :D D. G. Neree 10:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

transported from Oncyclopedie[edit]

Hi D. G., i've checked the links and it seems a brilliant idea gathering all ambassadors there, so we can connect all ***cyclopedias via embassies that solves the main problem indeed. So we have to announce this idea to all ***pedias and ask them to send emissaries and establish embassies first. today i've created our embassy parallel to Desciclopédia. i want to ask you if you have one, temporary i put a link to Oncyclopedie:Forum page as yours, better you check it. By the way i registered UnMeta and im accepting ambassadorship with pleasure, thank you:) So briefly i can say that Yansiklopedi agrees with this idea, i'll talk with my colleague soon and then we're ready to work together inorder to set up infrastructure. With this project i believe that all ***pedias will rapidly grow. so we'll discuss the details on the UnN page. Best regards Assyrius 11 jul 2008 08:18 (UTC)
Hello D.G., i recieved your message and come to take a share in project. There are a lot of things to do indeed, but i see you've done a lot of things in a few days for here:) so i have to check all of them first and then see how i can help the progress. waiting for your advices, see you hereAssyrius 20:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way D. G., i want to ask you something about uploading pictures. i see you can use images that you uploaded before for Oncyclopedie. Do you know if there is a speacial setting for using yansiklopedian images here?--Assyrius 22:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
No, it's an image from commons. I don't think it's possible to access images from the different wikis. D. G. Neree 23:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for welcoming me[edit]

I appreciate your welcome message. I'm here (primarily) to coordinate the efforts in "refining" pekpepedia (the Tagalog-language version of Uncyclopedia).

As of now, It's quite messy. However, I have this problem: finding the (still unknown servers) runnung Pekpepedia. I do appreciate the help and if it is found, I'll most likely thank the person/team/group/company running the said site. -Ianlopez1115 10:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I seem to have trouble finding you. If you are on one of wikia's servers, you should contact them. But i guess Carlb is the one to talk to about server related matter. By the way: Would you like to set up an embassy for your site here? And could you give a link to it? see Intercyclopedia and here. D. G. Neree 17:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Pekepedia.net is tl:, same server as this site. The current list of wikis is on info:project:WikiNode and the list of Wikia versions is wikia:uncyclopedia. Korea is hosted independently in Seoul, the others are here or on Wikia. Unfortunately, there are a few duplicated languages - in these cases, most often just one site is active with the other redundant wiki dead or abandoned. --Carlb 15:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

To do[edit]

[20:37] <Hedz0qxz> (-20:14:22-) <Hedz0qxz> op de niet wikia-uncy's
[20:37] <Hedz0qxz> (-20:14:33-) <Hedz0qxz> dus die meedoen aan Meta
[20:37] <Hedz0qxz> (-20:17:02-) <Hedz0qxz> elk een stukje schrijven over de taal die ze spreken op de wiki's
[20:37] <Hedz0qxz> (-20:17:21-) <Hedz0qxz> met allemaal grappige dingen die in die taal grappig zijn
[20:37] <Hedz0qxz> (-20:17:26-) <Hedz0qxz> en die met elkaar uitwisselen


The idea is that every ***pedia writes a funny article in their own language, whit jokes, that only can be understand if you know that language. And if every *pedia did that, than exchange it. Hedz0qxz 09:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC) ( sorry for my very very bad english :P )

Hi[edit]

Just thought I'd pop in and see how the project is going. Sent many invitations out yet? -- Hindleyite 16:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Good you popped in. ehm... weve started sending invitations to most of the non-wikia uncycs, with mixed reactions ranging from Assyrius being banned on the spot up to the more enlightened :p wikis like our japanese brothers and (i hope) sisters. The language is still a bit of a threshhold i guess and the invitation too long. Anyway, i wanted to ask you to be the Ambassador for Uncyclopedia for now (and ever?) and introduce the idea on Uncyclopedia with the proposal you posted on ?pedia :) If you want, i'll give you admin rights here. what the heck, i'll do it right now. Cheers, D. G. Neree 03:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Why thankye sir! I shall post a message in the Uncyc Village Dump right now.... though I fear I may be shot down like a clay pigeon ;) -- Hindleyite 09:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The deed is indeed done. -- Hindleyite 09:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Let 'em shoot ;). D. G. Neree 13:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Unnews[edit]

Hello, can u tell me how to create unnews?--Adikhebat 10:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome[edit]

Dank u meneer! Slade 00:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

  • As you wish. I'll wait UltraJohnny to discuss about it. Best regards, Slade 16:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Do not worry, any comments are welcome! Slade 18:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

~

Hey man[edit]

Don't have problems. I only build this page: [1]. Desciclopédia needs this. UltraJohnny 21h40min de 9 de Outubro de 2008 (BRT)

Why would I have a problem with it? It's perfect!. Maybe there was a misunderstanding. I thought you wanted to make a seperate site, that's why i said: talk to Carl about it. But the more things happen here the better of course. D. G. Neree 22h51min de 9 de Outubro de 2008 (BRT)

Good ideia[edit]

I'll ask this for Carlb. Greets, Slade 21:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the trust! I'm ain't disappoint the community ;) Slade 20:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Cheers :) It's a rather small community at the moment. But the good news is that the Illogicopedias have joined us. I'll see if they want to create some pages here too. They're a crazy lot. D. G. Neree 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Irratiopedia[edit]

Ha die DG! Ik wou je vragen hoe je nou Irratiopedia hebt opgestart: ik ben nl. van plan om een Noorse versie op te starten. Groet | CartoonistHenning 13:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Feedback[edit]

Dont Worry D.G, it´s not your fault. You have been used by Slade to be a chess piece in his vendettas like many other users already were in the past. It´s not your fault. Message me as soon as possible and add me in msn so we can talk about this and explain you the whole story. -Kohl 18:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Kohl[edit]

Hi, I'm from Desciclopédia. I've sent to you a scrap in your user's talk page @ Desciclopédia. Here is a copypasta of that message: See this topic. User Kohl has been blocked from DP due to manipulation and corruption. He is no longer bureaucrat of our site. The Desciclopédia's Ambassador, Fire_Wolf_br, can give to you more details about what happened talk page in Desciclopedia. He had just created an account here at UnMeta. You can talk with him directly via the own UnMeta. User KNUT, pt sysop

You have made a grave mistake. Kohl has been working his ass off to make Desciclopedia into what it is now. You have been tricked bij Slade and his band of warmongers. Shame on you! D. G. Neree 12:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

At your service[edit]

Als je wil, kan ik hier een FO Ambassade maken; dat was jouw idee, toch? Zeg maar wat ik moet doen.
Ik ga trouwens wel de Portugese FO-Ambassadeur vragen naar de situatie, gewoon zodat ik weet hoe de zaken staan. Ik moet immers ook zorgen dat de trubbels niet overslaan op Londen. -- Lars863 13:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Ik heb al kunnen uitvinden dat UltraJohnny op 7 januari Kohl en twee "sokpoppen" blokkeerde. Zijn commentaar bij Kohl was Babelfishvertaald: "Beledigde medegebruiker: Medegebruiker? Maak daar maar DUIZENDEN van! Mij ook! Ik ben geen verrader, begrepen? Hij is een verrader, heeft AL zijn Desciclopédia-vrienden al verraden, en zou mij snel ook verraden hebben! Nou, tot ziens!" Je zou kunnen zeggen dat UltraJohnny niet echt kalm was toen hij de ban uitdeelde. Zie ook het portugese blokkadeboek. -- Lars863 14:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Nog iets gevonden: de blokkade was om 19:34, 5:12 heeft Kohl een soort afscheidsspeech gehouden waarin hij in grote lijnen zegt "te vertrekken omdat zijn vertrouwen in vrienden geschaad is. JS (JonnyScreamer, verband met UltraJohnny?) greep Kohl's aanwezigheid als kans om telkens een flamewar te starten." Als ik het goed begrijp zijn de chatlogboeken, die Alhazred, de starter van het Kohl Forum, als bewijs aanvoert, bewerkt, maar dat kan ik niet zeker weten. Enfin, Kohl heeft dus geprobeerd de eer aan zichzelf te houden, maar de blokkade kwam alsnog. -- Lars863 14:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Post Scriptum -- geen zorgen, ik zal me niet in het "debat" mengen. Ik moet alleen zeker weten wat er gebeurd is, om te kunnen weten of Slade Inc. niet straks het vuur op mij opent.
Lars, de huidige Desci-ambassadeur is een van de coupplegers tegen Kohl. D. G. Neree 14:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Des te beter, zo kan ik ook de andere kant van het verhaal horen, op neutraal terrein. Je bedoelt Fire Wolf, toch? Ik heb al begrepen dat Franklin Kerber anti-Kohl was. Maar goed, het gaat erom dat ik weet hoe het hele veld in elkaar steekt. Jammer genoeg is dat Portugees lastig te vertalen... Trouwens, Truewww lijkt neutraal; hij heeft niet meegedaan in het Kohl Forum. -- Lars863 15:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Lars, dit is de zoveelste keer dat je een conflict gebruikt om er zelf beter van te worden. Een vriendelijk verzoek: hou je hierbuiten als je niets inhoudelijks weet mee te delen. Het vertaalproject is iets anders dan het ambassadeurschap en we hebben al eerder gezegd, dat we vonden dat je de ONcy niet kunt vertegenwoordigen omdat je alles op eigen houtje doet en vaak de plank misslaat. Nu ook weer, door meteen opportunistisch te handelen. Het ambassadeurschap heeft hier niets mee te maken. Wat ze op desci doen moeten zij weten. D. G. Neree 15:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Dat is een hard oordeel dat je velt. Weet wel dat ik in de FO wel degelijk de Oncyclopedia "vertegenwoordig", zover dat mogelijk is; ik krijg totaal geen feedback/suggesties van de rest. Als ik niet de Oncy mag vertegenwoordigen, moet je iemand anders zoeken die namens de Oncy zijn naam wil verbinden aan het FO-Project. Net als de adminkwestie: het ene moment werd er gesteld dat er niet genoeg admins waren, dat er veel te veel last kwam op de schouders van de admins, maar toen ik zei dat ik dan wel een positie zou willen was alles ineens niet meer zo zwaar. Bovendien moet ik samenwerken met Franklin en Fire Wolf, dus mag ik denk ik wel weten wat er aan de hand was, dat Rhubella Henning alarmeerde. Daar wordt ik niet beter van, al zou ik natuurlijk wel aanvallen van Portugese kant kunnen zien aankomen. Dat "eigen houtje" noem ik liever "initiatief", iets dat niet schijnt aan te slaan (denk aan start FO, Afbeelding van de Week.) Nou goed, ik zal me maar weer beperken op Oncy en FO... Denk nog maar even na over dat eerste voorstel, dat scheen voor sommige zo belangrijk. -- Lars863 16:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Als je geheugen je niet in de steek laat, heb ik je al meerdere keren gevraagd waarom je dat project, dat in het begin wel leek op een ambassadeurschap (zo noemde jij het), niet op UnMeta wilde doen. Je bent daar nooit op ingegaan. Nu, terwijl dit conflict er is, ben je er opeens wel voor. Laat me je even iets verduidelijken. Als je normaal had gedaan en niet op eigen houtje allerlei acties achter de rug van de Oncyclopedianen om had gedaan, dan was je allang ambassadeur geweest voor de Oncy. Maar iedere keer negeer je gewoon wat de mensen zeggen en ga je je eigen gang. Een ambassadeur moet de steun van de site hebben. Die heb jij niet, juist omdat je altijd op eigen houtje handelt, zoals dat domme gedoe op Uncyclopedia toen. Ik zie nog steeds niet goed wat het vertalen van artikelen met een vertegenwoordiging te maken heeft, maar goed, wie ben ik om daar nee tegen te zeggen? Maar het feit dat je je voordoet als woordvoerder van de Oncy is iets wat mensen stoort. Misschien moeten we er later nog eens over praten, maar nu stoort het vooral, dat je een situatie als deze gebruikt om je eigen positie weer naar voren te schuiven, terwijl de twee dingen niets met elkaar te maken hebben. Enfin, denk er over na, wat je nu eigenlijk met UnMeta wilt. Ik zag trouwens dat die vertaalpagina gewist is? D. G. Neree 17:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry to know you in this situation, but ...[edit]

I'm Tyler Durden. Sysop of Desciclopedia. And I would try to help clear up this whole mess. Yes, Kohl was and is a great User, but unfortunately he forgot the main purpose of the Desciclopedia, which is the humor and the fun and began to use the site for political and mental games, manipulating votes and opinions. Ambassador FireWolf, the victim feel that he decided to turn logs msn for me, as far as neutral a sysop and I in my turn, I thought it should be passed. Kohl, unfortunately, do not you accept his mistakes, or a supposed "defeat" and instead of collaborating with the site and redeem himself, later to return to the post sysop or bureaucrat, he preferred to offend everyone, distribute unfounded accusations and resigned . As for Slade, it really is not the best person to speak on the other, even more about Kohl, both of which maintains a personal feud, but this time the roles are reversed. The alleged "conspiracy", which Kohl says, was a decision of the entire site him out of post bureaucrat, so that any dispute or User claimed the incident, but rather supported it. In hopes of understanding and support so that we do not become a Honduras, subscribe to me Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 16:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

No sir. You are in line with Slade. The coup Slade tried to put up here is a proof, that he tried the same on desci, with more succes than here, evidently. Desciclopedia has become a tyranny now and YOU are the ones who forgot what it's all about. D. G. Neree 16:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Wrong. I'm not with Slade. If you have doubts and think it is a conspiracy to seize power, because nobody in this Desciclopedia la defending Kohl?Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 16:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Also...Tyranny? Who is the tyrant? A guy who does not agree with him, he calls the conspirator and coerced and forced people to vote where he wanted and is now without any support, or the rest of desciclopedia you want to vote for peace?Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 16:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Look, what are you doing here anyway? Slade tried to desysop the admins here. it was the second time. He is a rat and anyone who supports him is in line with him. D. G. Neree 16:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Talking to people is not the same as forcing them. D. G. Neree 16:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not on the Slade side buddy ... Either that or voted here. I'm just trying not to let the desciclopedia opinion the 3rd reich. I know not why Slade came here with this issue. Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 17:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Speaking is not DG. The problem is the way of talking. What do you think of someone who arrives in a user of 13 years old and says "Vote on it or you will destroy the uncyclopedia, because the pot will dominate here, and your fault"?Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 17:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
You should not be so biased, you see both sides. You are not a desciclopedia member, then certainly do not know what happened, only what he was told. Dude, think about it. How many people are supporting him? Just a sockpuppet banned. And in uncyclopedia? Will he say that we are now threatening death to people they do not go to defend him?

I do not want it to be banned from here or from desciclopédia. I just want to make clear it's not a coup, but a punishment for acts that he condemned and punished.Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 17:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Done and done![edit]

I would like to make clear that the argument on the desciclopedia has to remain a problem of the desciclopedia and has to be resolved there. We do not have a say in the policies on that site and we won't interfere. If people feel the need to take this conflict to the Meta they will be banned from now on. It's not our problem and I won't allow it to become a problem here. With regards, Alzheimlich 17:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I support that. D. G. Neree 17:34, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Me to. Agreed. If Kohl and Slade have problems with jobs and other things here, that I did not take me there, because that's what happened. No one there is involved with this vote that happened here, so that only a few who voted. I do not I edit here, just decided to go in history because things are being spoken of desciclopédia and we want peace.Tyler Durden [talk] Desciclopédia 17:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It's ok ;-) Alzheimlich 17:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Very well: I would only like to say, that it isn't Kohl or anyone of us who brought the conflict here, But Slade and Ultra Johnny, with their attempt to desysop the admins here. D. G. Neree 17:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Slade is banned for trolling and I can't see any direct wrongdoing by Johnny on this site. I did not accuse anyone specific for bringing the conflict here and I don't want or see the need to do so. I however will act on the ones resuming it from now on. Alzheimlich 19:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Slade is banned on UnCommons too, because he tried to start up the same discussion | CartoonistHenning 21:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Voting problem[edit]

You see, DG, I actually participated in the vote open for Slade, but in no time I "conspired with him 'or administrators planned start of their jobs, just because he voted even told me it was an idea to reduce the number of administrators inactive. Now, if there was some major conspiracy, it was with him, I really am innocent of it. I do not expect to convince you, just come talk my version. If you do not want to believe, is right for you. Good luck to you and carefully consider who they believe is in a handful of users or an entire site.

Sorry for copy the Cartoonist talk, I'm very lazy (kkkkk) UltraJohnny, o super-herói! 05:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem man, let's go back to normal and let that confusion aside. UltraJohnny, o super-herói! 20:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:) CartoonistHenning 20:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

I came to ask for your attention in the following topic Forum:Accusation, thankyou.

Stake Black 21:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia and your ban[edit]

Hi there. Uncyclopedia is an easy place to get banned from, given that there are only a couple of rules that are held there. The main thing is to not be a dick. As far as I can see, you've got a personal grudge against the site and have been lashing out at everyone and everything related to it. This includes me, as that's where I'm from, although you haven't lashed out at me.

As far as the IRC goes, I have absolutely no interest or care as to what the hell goes on there. But as for the site itself - I'm very invested in making sure it works well. To that end I'm actually in the process of trying to feed more material back and forth between us all. My major issue is I only know one language, do I need help from polilingual people such as yourself.

So my main points in coming here is:

  1. Do you want to come back to Uncyclopedia?
  2. Why?
  3. Given the rules are fairly simple, and mostly come down to respecting other users, are you happy to abide by them?

That's all. PuppyOnTheRadio (talk) 05:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

answers:

  1. I couldn't care less
  2. The fun of it was destroyed a long time ago
  3. It is not the rules that I disagree with, but the fact that the admins break those rules themselves and feel they are above them, treating others with arbitrary contempt.

There is another reason: I have been an admin an bureaucrat on Oncyclopedia for more than 4 years and I resigned a while ago to leave the site to a new generation. Oncyclopedia is on CarlB's server and if that wouldn't have been so, I would have quit quite a while earlier, since the alternative would have been to be hosted by Wikia. As it was and is not, i still edit on Oncyclopedia every once in a while, but I've promised myself not to contribute to any Wikia wiki. So there you have it.


D. G. Neree (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

In which case, given you don't want to come back, and the fact that you are remorseless about acting like a dick, it doesn't really matter if you wanted to come back or not, as if it were in my position to lift the ban directly, I wouldn't, and as such I'm not going to ask for it on your behalf. PuppyOnTheRadio (talk)

Now there is no need to insult me, is there? What you implied with your questions was, that I should fall on my knees and beg your forgiveness. Now that I'm not willing to do that you call me a dick. Typical. Well, I never asked you to ask anything on my behalf, have I? I don't care for unsollicited gifts, especially since you're obviously not even in a position to grant me what you think i want. Why insult me? Better people than you have tried to speak on my behalf and as a result they were banned from Uncyclopedia too. So who are the dicks here? Like I said: The fun in contributing to Uncyclopedia was destroyed a long time ago and it's too late for me to care about my ban. Why is that remorseless? Why should I want to come back to a site when the fun has gone out of it? And why should you care anyway? D. G. Neree (talk) 14:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you are acting in good faith, but I really wonder why after years you suddenly pop out of nowhere to open up old sores. And why are you calling me a dick now that my answer isn't what you thought it would be? Do I know you? What right do you have to insult me? Did I insult you? D. G. Neree (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the message is clear. Don't be a duck... Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 04:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC) You quack me up! PuppyOnTheRadio (talk) 06:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
I was acting in good faith, but not in ignorance. There have been people who have asked on your behalf previously for your unbanning, and the answer each time was If he shows that he is willing to abide by the few rules we have, and apologise for being a duck <EDIT: dick> previously, then the ban is lifted. My question was to see if you were willing to do that. I'm not saying your refusal to apologise means you are a dick - I'm saying that in the past you've acted as a dick and are refusing to apologise. And given the most recent request for your unbanning was about 4 months ago, and the requestor has not been banned, I think your perspective has been coloured by what you consider to be previous unfair treatment.
The main thing is though, I cannot directly remove your ban. No admin at present is willing to remove your ban. By indicating that you are sorry about insulting users on Uncyc in the past, and that you are willing to abide by the Don't be a dick policy, there are admins who are willing to remove the ban. I'm happy to act as an intermediary - even argue the point for you. I have been there for long enough that it wouldn't be dismissed out of hand. And I'm diplomatic enough to ensure that you would have had a good chance at getting back in.
So, in short, if you wanted to come back, I would have worked to ensure that it could happen. Given you don't, it's not worth worrying about. PuppyOnTheRadio (talk)

Hi[edit]

UnMeta’s the same as Meta. Ahmed03 Whispers 18:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)