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What do I have to do? How can I turn everything back to normal in our uncyclopedia? I couldn't even log in 20 times! If I logged in — system is dropping me out. And I've got a 2 year old cache (which I can't purge). What happened to the server «this time»?.. Whatever it is, this is strongest defect with server, that I remember. I understand that this is a free hosting, but it cannot to continue any more. Do owners understand that? I hope so. Actually, our community wanted me to write here a looong and offensive complaint, because this defect almost completely ruined the system of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. We can't work there at least because no one can normally log in and still in. I will not write any complaint, I don't want this. I just want all our wikis (not only big ones) to work good, like they did before. That's the reason I'm writing this message. Please, somebody who owns our server — do something to this. We are realy tired with this defects. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 17:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I wish the problems would be over too, but it seems that the resetting is taking a lot of time... we, at the Dutch Uncy, Oncyclopedia (.org, hoewever .net is recent) do have a Recent Changes page from 2008, the year where i didn't even excist (however... in the state where it is now). I am also tired of this, but I cannot say anything else than wait... We also had a few things ruined because of these problems: a few users suddenly didn't excist anymore, a few articles where gone (and never found back) and what more - then with the same thought that Wikia works more solid and better (thus longer) than this, but still with those suspected things that are happening, ads and a WTF'ish layout that makes me think that it isn't even a Wiki anymore, and everyone who is against it, makes us to have no other choice but staying here, or find someone who wants to host you (most of the times with paying), but eh, even we (Dutchies) failed three times finding an independent server (2 months solid offline, imagine?), but though, here we are back "home" again. Seems like our faith. I got a little bit used to it, but it is very frustrating indeed - even for the visitors. Nothing is perfect i'd say. Sor far, I cannot do anything about this, but the only thing I can advise is to wait, and to be patient. I hate waiting too. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 12:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Vox, we understand your concern. Carlb is working on it as well as he can | CartoonistHenning (talk) 13:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding, guys. We believe, Carlb will fix it, and everything will work. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 15:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
But the situation is unbearable. However none of us are to move our projects to Wikia. Tedos we have some logical reason for it. However, I believe that we are involved in a very big crisis. As I walk to visit the other checking uncys are two problems with the three main servers which affects our work too. We have no other option but to wait. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 15:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Wikia is worse, I think. They just make money from all that they do. They didn't ask anyone when they were changing the default skin. I wouldn't even think about moving to Wikia. Waiting is better than untranslated MediaWiki, terrible skin, advertisement everywhere and staffers, who climb not in their business. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 17:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Desciclopédia also wouldn't consider moving to Wikia. But our servers have already become a joke... and the entire site is bursting with impatience, all of our users work hard for Desciclopédia be the largest Uncyclo and we proud of it, all desciclopedians are fearful of being overtaken by Uncyclopedia.Alhazred 23:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
It is yet a week yes, where these problems started to occur. Even we, with just 2000 articles and our worst year ever, think the same, but the only hope for us is then when new writers come and bring this temporarily or permanent alive again. Then, the site must work. All ****pedia's are a piece of art, and without this, this world would be different... Roye7777777 ~ Talk 11:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
In a way, I say this because Alz get me for a long time, ever discussed in our forum every time we had server problems always had complaints and our only means of support was directly Carlb without considering the question or had other problems with uncy. After four years of living in this uncyclopedian world believe that all of us (I include all uncys) always suffer from the same jail but now with a crisis of large magnitude was the one who joined uncys four different managers at the same time in this debate. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg Under IP 14:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The thing I'm afraid of is losing our writers. Ukrainian Uncyclopedia didn't have very many active users, but now, after the server defect, there are only few people left. Authors don't want to write in such terms, and, unfortunately, I can't do anything with that. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 14:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree. This is becoming a very tragic thing. Another thing I noticed that the newly created Uncyclopedia: Mirandese and Afrikaans are the vector model. This seems to be a visual test for the other uncys? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 15:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Precisely...weird...i though i had written that in my previous comment... but though. That is a fear. I know people who abort the loading of websites when it takes longer than 5 seconds... our Recent Changes page on .org is currently empty... is fearing me a bit.. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 15:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

MarceloRenard2 expressed preoccupation with this forum in Desciclopédia: Forum: Voting: Change the server to Wikia.

Well, the last time I see this topic it was there as a joke. But the way things are going, I can not guarantee, by an entire community, that will be always a joke. Alhazred (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

My concern was spelled out in his discussion, although if you want Oncyclopedia and Inciklopedia, want to see thousands of bytes of discussion in this forum, attracting and placing others at risk of a flamewar, Express is happy that any vote in Desciclopédia, even the least important to be suspended until the server gives conditions to make them. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
My answer was given by the Calbo in their forum in Portuguese. No longer will it take me more because I'll be in Çciclopédia this time. Carlb seems ironic that during these server issues resolved to abide by the requests and create two more servers to overload uncys. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
By the way, a few days ago I noticed that Wikia didn't work too. And that wasn't first time... I think Carlb should delete empty Uncyclopedias (like gothic). May be the server problems are because of them. I mean, nobody needs them, nobody write there. There is absolutely no activity. «Gothic»: I guess no one can even read that. But because of it (and some else) other fine Uncyclopedias are slow... That is just my opinion, may be I'm not right. But I will not let Inciklopedia to move to Wikia and I wouldn't advise other Uncyclopedias to do that. The situation will be just worse. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 20:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
This is the same recommendation that Desgalipedia do, right out of there. Only use for problematic cases like this. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I can not say "I will not let Desciclopédia to move to Wikia" because I'm only one user of the community. Over these four years I watch the growing dissatisfaction in Desciclopédia with constants errors. We pass through 3 or 4 voting asking for change to Wikia, all ended with a request denied. And now we have another votation asking to change to wikia (it's a joke then - for the time being). I can not guarantee these votings to change always lose. I only one vote "against" there. Alhazred (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
@Vox I totally have to agree with you here - wiki's as Gothic, and more like that, like I already said (or not?) they are empty, and not even fitting in my view of the purpose of the UnMeta project - Uncyclopedia's in different languages and spreading the idea of "Humor is a weapon, a shield and a psychological salve" and "serving the truth in a nonsense and humoristic way". Gothic and zombie are simply no languages, then you can make hundreds of the same wiki's - filling up serverspace and nothing that happens. Also Wikia is sometimes down yes, nobody is perfect. Though - when these servers work properly - they work indeed properly, that is the thing.
@Rhubella Marie Flamewars? I cannot see any flamewars here - i can only see this as a worry of everyone because of these always returning technical problems, that now takes for over a week by now. Also, it seems that the German Uncyclopedia (.de) is now at Carat (source), but the site itself says it is still at Wikia. Weird?
@Alhazred Wikia looks indeed more stable though (even with their downtimes), and stability is a must for a wiki that is gaining popularity, but I guess when you come with a voting about things like these, and they repeat to do it, then I doubt it that those votings are a joke (or am I so serious about things like these?)...but when every time when it turns out of a no, that doesn't seem like a joke eighter. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 22:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to move Inciklopedia to Wikia because of their terms of working. I don't want Inciklopedia to have untranslated MediaWiki; I don't want the unknown people (called «Wikia Staff») to climb into Inciklopedia and make there any changes they want. I don't want them to use me and othe users to work in the wiki with advertisement and PR of Wikia, from which they just make money. That's reason I said I will not let Inciklopedia to move to Wikia. No one of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia's community doesn't want those things I said. I wouldn't say this if I wasn't sure. But, yes. Wikia is more stable (as a server) — it is true. Although we want our site to have link (at the bottom) «About Inciklopedia» in Ukrainian [1], not «About Wikia» in English [2]. --This user is administrator of Ukrainian Uncyclopedia. Vox 23:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey Roye, don't get the wrong idea. The past votings are real and serious and ended against the change to wikia with massive counts of against. They ended, they passed. But this current voting is neither a voting itself is more a critical. If you can acess the page you can't see any vote, just desciclopedians discussing the dissatisfaction. And don't underestimate the mood of Desciclopédia, we can do joke even with our problems. Alhazred (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey Guys, I don't know what you think, but, I think it's time to someone, a user who love all the projects rise to help Carlb with all this. I mean, being the fourth server (Carlb runs 3 doesn't he?) putting on there all the "new and 'small'" projects of UnMeta, like they already have discussed on Desciclopédia. Wikia go to the profits and forget the readers plus users... Everything that those filthy dogs wants is money. I want a better UnMeta and a better Desciclopédia, but not on Wikia. If I could, I would run a server to help Carlb, but I on a way to got that. By the next year I should have a fully ready machine to run a server all time. --KING.M.D./Talk 23:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

@Alz: My concern with this vote does not draw the attention of other uncys and tell you why you should not move to Wikia, but it requested the suspension while the server is off.
@Roye7777777 about Vox: The question posed here is: Why the hell are the mirror Uncyclopedias? I just checked and saw the supposed gothic owned by Wikia. I only see neglect and vandalism in excess.
@KING: That is exactly what is being discussed here. No Wikia!

Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 23:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

In the beginning I also thought these apart unused uncycs would take a lot of useful serverspace, but now I don't think they definitely do. These are very small fragments on the server. And as those sites don't have a lot of visitors, the traffic pressure isn't an obstacle. Wikis with 5000+ pages, which are also high-trafficated (to start with Ikkepedia and up), do ballast the server. Otherwise, Carlb should have closed down Requests for new languages for a long time ago... CartoonistHenning (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I do not think closing block new requests for language can be a good idea. This will cause these uncys can go to Wikia, which does not impose restrictions such as nodes, must have local editors to edit these uncys. But what I will address is the following. Why has created conditions for these Uncyclopedias mirror? I do not understand the purpose of it. On the one hand I can understand that it is difficult to get all uncys Wikia belonging to leave there but have a copy of all of them belonging to us, occupying server is incomprehensible.
The Uncy version?
  1. First case, had accompanied at all or that there is no or very few issues. Users have no interest in maintenance and were even once told you, Cartoonist on vandalism in the French mirror
  2. Secund, Renan walk with news of the strange cases mirror version of Uncyclopedia, which had been notified that Carlb sysop powers given to a user named Alicia Keys, it is well known that Crappypedia's bureaucrat. The same Renan asked sysop powers in one of these versions and despondency under the guise that you could not answer it. I remember I made the same request at the time to protect the version of org paudurapedia me and you said no bureaucrat there. Meanwhile, a banned user uncy of Russian and troublemaker in several uncys enrolled there. In my view, if the user does something wrong, I can not take responsibility to ban it.

Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 15:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. I don't want to close down the requests. I never want to create new languages on Wikia. Let Kohl out of this. The topic is about the importance of these small wikis. They are no abstacles for the server, because they are not high-trafficated. So deleting these projects would mean a waste | CartoonistHenning (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Hening, delete the small Uncyclos will be irrelevant to this problem. Alhazred (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

That I'm misunderstanding here. I did not ask the exclusion of small uncys, I am questioning why we uncys versions of the mirror version here on Wikia. And another thing, I said nothing about Kohl. This is not a subject to treat here. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 04:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

[edit] News problems?

Well... I still can not access (much less edit) Desciclopédia. But a few users can access and edit normally, it's a little strange... how is this possible? I want to edit too! Alhazred (talk) 19:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

If nothing else, who can penetrate. No way to upload images, absolutely nothing does not happen every time I click to upload be the UnCommons or Çciclopédia, I did not mention Desgalipedia because is off. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 13:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I can not understand your english Marcelo. Whatever... Desciclopédia is over? I need to notice this information to users of Desciclopédia. After all, there are several weeks with problems already. Alhazred (talk) 17:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Apparently, you can not to load the images or here, in UnCommons or even Desgalipedia... however had loading it in Çciclopedia and I doubt anyone could object to me now about this need for mirror.Uncyclopedia. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 16:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I think that was an action of revenge on Wikia by Carl himself. Pointless or not, if it doesn't obstruct the functionality of the servers, I have nothing against it | CartoonistHenning (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Cartoonist, if you checked the difference between the total of 2 articles uncys to put that image and understand that there is nothing wrong! Well if more than 46 000 articles do not interfere at all, patience. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 23:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you please explain to me in Brazilian, because I really don't understand what you are saying right now. Sorry | CartoonistHenning (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
kkkkkkkkk! Me too. And Henning, don't exist "brazilian", it's "portuguese" Alhazred (talk) 17:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Blocking requests for new languages is no good idea. Everyone agrees with that. Every language can have a chance. Everyone agrees with that. Problem solved. Cookie? Roye7777777 ~ Talk 18:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
@Alh: Ow, I'm sorry for that. I was confused | CartoonistHenning (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
At the moment, at Oncyclopedia.org it is raining with Spam, spam, spam and more spam. Nothing I can do about it because i didn't even excist then in that period the server error'd and stood still (september 2008). The spam comes, actually without link, lifeless idiot. Well, that is the progress (?) for today. Yay! Roye7777777 ~ Talk 20:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Cartoonist, I was talking about it here.

The Desgalipedia also just suffered an attack of spam in the last 28th July. And I care not to stray far from the issue will create a new topic of the forum to discuss the mirror.uncyclopedias utilities on our server. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm still can not even login in Desciclopédia... Alhazred (talk) 01:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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