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Dear users,

It seems there are some problems going on, on the Persian Uncyclopedia. Well, with what I read already, it seems this is a fight about userrights. Like I already said on my talkpage, gaining Admin- or Bureaucrat-rights by the "Requests for permissions" page, is something that is controversial, and something that should ONLY be approved by Bureaucrats and Admins on the Uncy where the user comes from - in this case the fa.uncyc.org one - and we from UnMeta should not have anything to do with it in my opinion, except if the user is truly trusted, and accepted by its community.

I can not tie any knots about this story so far, reading random comments and everything that has been said. I ask all of you, even when I am very confused with all those appearing IP's and other Persian texts that we cannot read, and the fact that I have not followed this from the beginning: if there have been given Admin/Manager/Bureaucrat rights in pursuit of the Requests for Permissions page in an unfair way, what could have been led to the abuses of rights and maybe deposits, I cannot accept that at all and I can only request to you: revert everything to the point when nothing was going on, and it was silent, to ask in your community for admin rights again and let that perform by Bureau's from there. It seems very wrong for me in this place that there are admin-rights given away with no approval of the Persian community, if that was the case.

To explain the story further, or to tell that I am wrong in what I've written, please tell it here on this page, so it can be discussed, and that it becomes more clear who said what and what really happened. It seems that the talk page of Cartoonist is already protected because of this, so I hope for a quick determined solution for this.

To be clear: I am not the person who decides about cases like this, so I cannot do anything for you so far, not without knowing what is really going on (and without having any userrights, or whatever). I only act as a precaution.

Handshakes and pancakes, Roye7777777 ~ Talk 18:30, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


Discussions on Requests for permissions:

[edit] نانشنامه

Hello, i like have permission at http://fa.uncyc.org, while there is not active sysop(ebraminio is not active on that wiki), i like to delete not humor things and Protection the pages edit. thanks a lot.--استاد جون (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I do not believe that this place was uninhabited :( Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
that place is unihabited. Ebraminio is not active ,Unfortunately.--استاد جون (talk) 17:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
This request or action is approved and done Approved and done ebraminiotalk 19:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello, per this, I request admin & bureaucrat rights, Thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC).

Hmm, I think till استاد جون is active, more admins not needed for this project. What do you think? ebraminiotalk 20:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I want to help to improve it, I really need this access to be able edit mediawiki files and also namespace table needs to be fixed, Thanks. Mjbmr (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
This request or action is approved and done Approved and done Okay, admin right. ebraminiotalk 20:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I think it has terminated favorably. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


Hello, per this, http://fa.uncyc.org/ I request admin & bureaucrat rights, Thank you. I am sure that the integrity of the work on comin mali ringo (talk) 173.243.118.36 06:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Embraminio has to approve this. I can't give you admin rights before he agrees :-) CartoonistHenning (talk) 11:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
But I need to access. I am one of the members are hard workers Uncyclopedia، Two of the استاد جون and Mjbmr Request was agreed that management I have no quantitative I am one of the users of Uncyclopedia :fa:کاربر:ali ringo 188.158.231.29 12:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I request the bureaucrat and check user for the short time before back Ebraminio beacuse i like to change usernames and changeuser's Authoriy. please. thanks a lot :D.--استاد جون (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
No sorry, I can't give you those rights now. Ask Embraminio which names you want to change | CartoonistHenning (talk) 13:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
OK no problem. I want to change my username!--استاد جون (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Why checkuser really? :) You can make a page on fa.uncyc for requesting username renaming. We will done your requests as soon as possible :) ebraminiotalk 16:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
for User:گاگول. He seems ویکی خور--استاد جون (talk) 17:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Don't be affraid about him because he didn't/can't misuse it. en.uncyclopedia also have not checkuser right. :) ebraminiotalk 17:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
yeah he have many users!--استاد جون (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, technically you can block his sockpuppetries accounts if you want also without CU (you have enough access for this), but this is not needed. As an unrelated advice, please see en.uncyclopedia and make contents same them and put this as your goal in fa.uncyclopedia. Good luck :) ebraminiotalk 17:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
thanks a lot. good luck. :D--استاد جون (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

¬¬ Really need a walk lemon tea... and who disorganized all the above? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 18:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I think we don't need to give three users admin rights at the same time ... get involved. Mjbmr (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion Ebraminio should decide about the new admins. He adopted the project | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the best solution might be two administrators and a rollback, at least for a period. Would avoid what happened to the Simple English that gradually adds a new sysop week as there was last month. However it still fits the bureaucrat is not a decision of our.
Sneezy!... I think I need an even more lemon tea. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 00:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Request bureaucracy نانشنامه

Hello I request its bureaucracy Please give me a score of bureaucracy If it points to, I do not,others will abuse the power of the bureaucracy itself, like Soroush، Yours truly ali ringo (talk) :fa:کاربر:ali ringo 188.158.231.6 16:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Please give me the bureaucracy ali ringo (talk) :fa:کاربر:ali ringo

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Discussions in User_talk:CartoonistHenning:

[edit] نادانشنامه

Hello, My works are done in Persian Uncyclopedia, Thank you for your help, I made some gadgets and mediawiki files, also I fixed interwiki table and namespaces table, I removed my right and protected my pages, please don't allow to other admins to unprotect my pages, my talk page in archived here, and as a note I contacted Soroush by email, he is around he made some edits after about five years, Thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

One of admins deleted some revision of history of my archive page, please restore them, Thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

This request or action is approved and done Approved and done--استاد جون (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

@Mjbmr: I restored your rights, you don't have to resign (you can if you really want to).
@Everyone on fa.uncyc: Don't hide each other's userpages. Please don't abuse the rights! CartoonistHenning (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
hello. i hide 16 history and then i restored those. and that history he said to me to clean that. good luck :D.--استاد جون (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay ;-) CartoonistHenning (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
@CartoonistHenning: Okay, the situation is I translated English logo to Persian, same sentence for "Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia" but "Ali ringo" stated a discussion on talk page and he insulted me and told "We must be creative" he means we shouldn't translate "Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia" to Persian, and I explained to him, but he insisted that, "استاد جون" told if we don't stop discussion he will block me, then I resigned, I don't know why should I be blocked for nothing, and I don't know why "Ali ringo" is making empty pages (just some dots in them) and I don't understand there is a sentence on main page that means "Don't welcome to Uncyclopedia!", what these all for?, after resigning, "استاد جون" wrote something one archived talk page and I told him to remove it but he remove sixteen revisions which was the discussion between me and "Ali ringo". anyways thank you for restoring rights. Mjbmr (talk) 15:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I recommend setting up a forum and ask everyone what the name and the tagline should be like, then you can start up a vote to elect a winner. A sentence like "not welcome to..." is indeed not funny. Keep the democracy, people! ;-) CartoonistHenning (talk) 18:31,. 17 September 2011 (UTC)
hi mr CartoonistHenning Mjbmr lies Until now everything has been said to lie I did not get manager So what's wrong in the Uncyclopedia To evil purposes and not practical Mjbmr and even Wikipedia has been blocked Because of something bad And he wants me to show you bad http://fa.uncyc.org/ 188.158.229.14 12:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Soroush(The guy who started that wiki):The whole situation is childish and I tried to avoid getting in the conflict because I haven't been involved enough in the project recently (past few years). I appreciate the patience by unmeta-guys. I'm going to take the admin rights as I don't see any major administrative tasks left. We have enough responsive administrators already and if the community decides on new members we can add as we go. [insert signature here :)]
You know I can not understand what is happening here. At first, I have seen this very personal interest in the administrative tools but I have only found confusion here and it is hard to track progress. I would like to ask if what I read in one of the preceding paragraphs if the administrator abused Mjbmr of tools or power sysop. If this is true, I believe there is logic in defending the case. However, I have visited the site these days and besides having done some interlinks to other uncys notice that the site suffers from a lack of everything, that might mean this kind of confusion being taken here. I will not open a topic in the Conference room because I see no reason for this is due to my poor health who walks with a cold this week punishing me. I see no motivation to involve users of other Uncyclopedias still a local problem. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Another thing, ebraminio wrong to comment on the check user rights on Uncyclopedia. I believe he does not know that these sites in Wikia's uncys powers are not granted the community and this is causing much friction. I know the rules of my old home and although Desgalipedia rules has not so rigid believe that each Uncyclopedia has independent means but mild as the basis for them. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


To the fa.uncyc.org community: Please be happy with the user rights you already have. You can make articles and you can contribute without extra rights. Stop the discussions and make articles... CartoonistHenning (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I did not have to be removed from the management، For Mjbmr I will abuse I think it is blocked. I'm Uncyclopedia active users I'm request myself again being Again I request the manager Thanks http://fa.uncyc.org/ 173.243.118.36 22:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I will appreciate it if you sign in next time before leaving a comment here ;-) CartoonistHenning (talk) 00:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] نانشنامه

hi . could you please give me administrator right نانشنامه in this project . i'd like to help other admins in this project .yours sincerely . ویکی خور (talk) 07:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Since I am an active Uncyclopedia Its request to have Bureaucratic Because managers do not abuse power And basically the majority of these managers to be selected This requires that I feel I have power Bureaucratic I promise to from the concession for the development use Uncyclopedia And no one abused privilege and do not Sincerely,http://fa.uncyc.org/ ali ringo (talk) 188.158.229.124 11:36, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Explain

Hello, Soroush removed userrights of "Ali ringo" in this log and ya restored them this log, please explain why you did this? and revert it, I told you once this user is abusing access, and why you make new admins by your self, as you don't know anything of Persian language you can't understand the situation, I explained once the situation but you didn't pay attention, please let handle requests by local bureaucrat who knows Persian, Thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 14:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

As you can read in the section above, I'm pretty sure he restored it because it was requested. FeyBart My Garbage 14:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
He shouldn't approve "any requests", it may hurt project, should think about it, why a person insists to be an admin, we have active admins, please grant me bureaucrat right so I can handle the situation. Mjbmr (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that I grudge the Soroush and Mjbmr have been.
In any case, I request the bureaucracy

I promise that whatever I'm making progress Uncyclopedia If you do not have the power of bureaucracy Again, I will remove them from the management Soroush because the bureaucracy is I'm hoping to be back to the redundant management http://fa.uncyc.org/ ali ringo (talk) 188.158.231.6 15:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


Cartoonist, I am sorry to say but what I am about the intention to open a forum to discuss this issue. I can not understand what the hell is going on and this caught the attention of the entire community. I understand that you are taking the situation calmly, but it seems enough to me that there is a dispute between users who can not decide. However I can only open with your approval, I was neutral on this issue but I can not agree with what is happening. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)



I want to block the fa:کاربر:ali ringo for vandalizing my talk page and many more instances (getting to edit wars with other users, creating sock puppets, ...). Note the IP in the above edit is the same as the note by user right above. I will proceed tomorrow if no one from meta argues and I hope that no one reverts this action afterwards without some poll/consultation from the fa.uncyc.org community. --سروش (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

"... creating sock puppets, ...). Note the IP in the above edit is the same as the note by user right above."

~ User:سروش
If this accusation is true, this could explain to us why so many users are asking for powers of administration. If you do not mind I protected their discussion for today in order to make a hot chocolate with quiet around here. The coffee machine is broken. :D Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Mjbmr: it's my job to give everyone the chance to get his rights. Now, there are 3 or 4 users who request bureaucratship. You must undertand that this is a real hard choice to make. As you are the only one of fa. who explains the situation fairly well, you deserve the rights. However, I will ask you to not desysop Ebraminio. I do not want to receive complaints afterwards, you see | CartoonistHenning (talk) 18:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Lijkt mij iets met wanneer een willekeurige gebruiker op de Oncy hier gaat vragen om adminrechten en het nog krijgt ook omdat hij/zij actief is en "geschikt lijkt". Het gezegde vol = vol zegt wat dat betreft dan vrij weinig, omdat er dan schijnbaar toch admins aangenomen worden terwijl men niet wilt, zover ik dat heb kunnen begrijpen in twee quotes van twee personen. Ik vind dit maar bizar ende vreemd, het zomaar weggeven van buro/adminrechten zonder dat de rest op die wiki erover meebeslist en discussieert. Concluderend dat jij, de persoon die UnMeta half bestuurt, dus dan maar terwijl je meerdere malen vertelt dat het democratisch moet gebeuren en dan tegelijkertijd omdat je "deze persoon" het meest wijs vindt de knoppen geeft. Of iedereen nu een kans zou moeten hebben, dan zou FeyBart van mijn part nu ook admin moeten zijn. English: If you cannot read this, the Translator is your best friend. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 19:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Het is nogal evident dat actieve communities administratoraanmeldingen zelf zullen afhandelen. Het probleem is: wat doe je nu in hemelsnaam als er 3 of 4 mensen hetzelfde vragen, terwijl de huidige actieve bureaucraat laat weten dat ie het de komende tijd voor bekeken houdt? Op dit moment wordt er een community uitgebouwd, die er tot voor kort niet was. Dus dan moet je wel handelen in het belang van de activiteit op de site. Doet deze bureaucraat niks, dan doe ik het wel. Ik heb uitdrukkelijk de vraag gehad om geen e-mailcorrespondentie van deze bureaucraat te publiceren, dus ik respecteer dat. Ik zou verder willen vragen om op Forum:Persian situation de discussie verder te zetten | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

@Mjbmr: I did this because I want to have an overview on the situation. You can still de-sysop him if he will abuse the rights again. I don't want to let chaotic things happen in the middle of a discussion | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


I kindly ask to continue this discussion on Forum:Persian situation. Thanks | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


This is the situation so far. Administrators are (excluding myself):
  • Ali ringo ‏(deletion, rollback, administrator) (Created on 14 September 2011 at 16:18)
  • Behaafarid ‏(administrator) (Created on 15 August 2006 at 15:23)
    Mjbmr ‏(bureaucrat, deletion, rollback, administrator) (Created on 14 September 2011 at 19
    04)
    TechAdmin ‏(bureaucrat, administrator) (Created on 21 July 2011 at 06
    35)
  • استاد جون ‏(deletion, rollback, administrator) (Created on 7 September 2011 at 05:48)
    سروش ‏(bureaucrat, deletion, administrator) (Created on 3 August 2006 at 12
    48)
  • ویکی خور ‏(deletion, rollback, administrator) (Created on 7 September 2011 at 12:36)
As Ebraminio said he will not be very active in the future, I thought it would be wise to appoint new sysops. However, there didn't come 1 user, but 4. And every four requested both checkuser and bureaucrat. In my eyes, this was strange. I read that Persians want to have a strict privacy, so I took that fact into count. So I had to take a choice. I can't manage the wiki myself, so there should be some users who have the total control. I think I gave the bureaucrat powers to the right people. See also User_talk:CartoonistHenning and Requests for permissions for my last notes.
A time ago, I asked Carlb to be bureaucrat on a bunch of languages. I didn't do that for personal interests, but I did this for A: maintenance reasons and B (the most important reason): adoption reasons. When someone wants to adopt another abandonned project, he will automaticly grant bureaucrat powers. If the project is clearly not abandonned, I will e-mail/contact the current bureaucrat to explain about the request, then it's up to the current bureaucrat(s) to decide about that. Furthermore, I think it's evident that active communities assess sysop requests | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
To me, it seems you don't need bureaucrat-rights to bring a abandoned project to life... especially when a random person wants to let it work again, and then because of that gains bureau-rights, while the person is new, already not very populair, and then suddenly comes with plans to fire everyone and blank every page, or in other words: has bad plans, for example. The absolute power of decision should be at the users at fa.uncyc, we should only give a question if there shouldn't be any more admins, bureaus, or anything else, or if they cannot change userrights, to give us the instruction to do so. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 19:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
@Henning, if everyone agrees with the newly "chosen" admins/buro's that they should have their rights, I don't have any problems with it, but reading "abuse" and "liar" etc. makes it suspect. Though, it is all about bureaucrat-rights, changing user rights 'n stuff. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 20:01, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
If that would be the case (your example of the mad minds having bad plans with the site), it isn't that dramatical. Carlb is still there, you don't see him much, but he is really behind the screens xD. Now the Serbian uncyc has become alive, for instance, and I could give many other permissions in the past without asking Carlb. My bureaucrat rights on many wikis have definitely appeared to be useful | CartoonistHenning (talk) 20:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] My feeling about this

Excuse me but was serious about the coffee machine broken. :D

I will introduce what I could understand so far. At first you asked there ringo powers of administration and Cartoonist replied that it was the bureaucrat ebraminio should grant these rights. The next day two more users (Mjbmr and alireza[1]) made ​​the same request. However, soon happens to several requests for desysop accusations of abuse of power and war issues. I've also noticed during my visits to the project (and then explain how I see it [2]) several pages being protected block following among some users.

Unfortunately being carried out blockades continued and even noticed the removal of the user's own administrative powers ali ringo. Including the submission of new applications for sysop bringing the total to four accounts, with the assumption in the Persian uncy be the victim of attacks sock puppets raising my suspicions about these applications.

I come to the conclusion that (if true) if a user is actually creating accounts to manipulate a community can also be, in the absence of local bureaucrats, trying these applications to our community, create a puppet community. Sorry to be assuming this, but months ago, the same user banned from Uncyclopedia Russian (I will not quote names) had created a community on another server and even invited me to exercise administration, even causing a problem in my old house asking for my unblock. He had refused the invitation, due to my work on unmet and even visited that site when I noticed the old habit of his multiple accounts and putting administrative powers.

The short time of service in respectable home so Pudi notice and citing what Cartoonist said during these days I think:

  1. The Uncyclomedia for managing the other uncys, can in the case of an inactive wiki sysop grant the rights to require the user to use these without question.
  2. In the case of a community growing in number of users, new directors may be elected after consultation with the local community. Not needing to seek Uncyclomedia. I believe this to be valid and the result we see from our little sister.

"... creating sock puppets, ...). Note the IP in the above edit is the same as the note by user right above."

~ User:سروش

However, this asks me the fact that so many users are coming here and I worry that we are being deceived and Uncyclomedia be the victim of an attack of socks. Take account of my poor understanding of the problem earlier when I read this:

{q|Don't be affraid about him because he didn't/can't misuse it. en.uncyclopedia also have not checkuser right|User:ebramino}}

At this time I thought about it and really, the Wikia wikis that dominates the local administrators do not use these powers and probably the Persian uncy should not have rules as to use. Warned Cartoonist about this and to comment on the slight difference in rules about checking both the user in Desciclopédia and Desgalipedia, the rules are the same but in Desgalipedia recognizes the use of so-called sock for use on insecure networks for common network in Brazil.

It really worries me as the problem is being addressed here, and take the position of adoption as Cartoonist commented on the small and inactive wikis. Another point to be raised is who is really abusing the administrative rights. By that I note here the two options on the case.

  1. If there are 3 or 4 existing users and assets because the request to the powers of bureaucrats. A community can not afford to create a poll and discuss this topic? It asks me if it's 3 or 4 if the users are not seeing a puppet show.
  2. As mentioned previously Uncyclomedia can not reply to requests for more new sysop or other rights. That's for the community decides.
  3. Abuse requires administrative rights is worth the loss of these rights by the community, not the UnMeta. However, this has to be argued with evidence and not with stupid arguments. We, Unmeta users, do not know the Persian language and makes it awkward to be able to seek their truth. It was checked that. This makes work for because of this our shortcomings, we can not identify whether there was a vandalism or if the user is forging evidence.

Well as my closing remarks, the page was protected by Cartoonist me just for IPs and users who are not yet confirmed, allowing them to calm down and avoid a pointless discussion may lead to a ban unnecessary. At first, I considered a local problem of divergences between users but realize that the discussion is leading to an unsatisfactory level. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 22:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

  1. I am by typing the user name in Latin form as I saw on your user page. My translator makes a mess when I mix two alphabets text
  2. Well, I can not understand Persian, but as my preferences are with Galician language in the records noted that each director's doing.
I did nothing bad to Soroush، Put and call it vandalism Soroush has grudge with me I probably will not believe me But the problem is I'm not officially working to Soroush ali ringo (ali ringo)

http://fa.uncyc.org/ 00:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

This is completely out of control, I ask all users of Uncyclopedia Persian register their accounts and avoid edit for IP's

Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 18:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

For me, is not the responsibility of UnMeta arbitrarily decide that someone is bureaucrat or sysop in any other uncyclopedia just because someone requested it here.

That request page should use only for those uncyclopedias that are deserted.

I recommend all you Persians get together among themselves and decide the rules of your site. Alhazred (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It would be easy if there were mutual accusations between users ¬¬ Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 04:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

[edit] I forget this


Discussions on User talk:سروش:

Hello, I'm warning you that the discussion of Cartoonist protected because of what's happening in your community. We are not against any request but would like to know what the problem is really happening there. I wonder if it is true the allegations of sock puppet on the user who cited. And please answer only here in his discussion. Already thank you. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 17:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

As I said in the beginning, I'm not an active member of the community and didn't want to get involved in the dispute. This is what happened from my perspective:
  • fa:User:استاد جون decides to make some changes to wiki that so he requested sysop rights.
  • fa:User:Mjbmr decides to make some changes to wiki that so he requested sysop rights.
  • They start making some changes.
  • fa:User:ali ringo decides to make some changes to wiki that so he requested sysop rights. User:Ebraminio who was handling the permissions told fa:User:ali ringo that there are enough active admins. here.
  • User:CartoonistHenning Gives the permissions to the user.
  • They start to get in edit wars over front page style, logo, ....
  • fa:User:ali ringo and fa:User:Mjbmr start insulting each other and they take the argument to meta and my user page.
  • I tell everyone to calm down (1 min block for both users).
  • They continue the fight.
  • I take the sysop permissions from fa:User:Ali ringo and put a notice that admins can't edit frontpage and logo without a poll and consensus.
  • fa:User:Ali ringo writes on my talk page that it felt good to be a manager and asks to get the permissions back. He promises not to get into edit wars again.
  • I tell him to continue editing articles and stop fighting for sysop permissions.
  • He takes the argument to meta again. And he deletes the text that he wrote on my page but as an anonymous user. Maybe he doesn't know that his IP address is being logged. Compare this with this.
  • User:CartoonistHenning Gives the permissions back to the user!
  • Edit wars on the front page again.

Now, I'm not sure if the user fa:User:Ali ringo has other accounts, but as per definition of English Wikipedia for sock puppetry, "Logging out to make problematic edits as an IP address" is sock puppetry by itself. As a side note, PLEASE don't give user check to any user in fa.uncyc.org unless you know the user personally. This can be even life-threatening for people leaving inside Iran. --سروش (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Like I said here: Forum:Persian_situation (forumpage about this) is it in my opinion a very very controversial move to give admin- and/or bureaucrat rights to users in pursuit of the Requests for Permissions page. This is a case that should only be handled by the admins/bureaucrats at the Persian Uncy, not by us, so I cannot understand that the rights were given back while it was already removed. Roye7777777 ~ Talk 18:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I gave bureaucrat permissions to Mjbmr, because he seems wise to me. He has a good knowledge about wikis and I think he won't abuse his rights. If there are unfair de-sysop cases, please let me know. I understand your concerns, but I want to give everyone a chance. I've allways said users should keep it democratical. If not, they don't suit in a wiki management team | CartoonistHenning (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
A point:90 % of the fa uncyc's sysops are in the wikis (such as WikiPedia → Our enemies) like me. :D.--استاد جون (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the solution to edit wars is turning it to wp:wp:wheel war. Is adding new admins without the community consensus democratic? --سروش (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, CartoonistHenning‎ thank you for giving me 'crat right I won't abuse access and I didn't before, I always keep democratic, I won't desysop anyone unless I have a good reason or community consensus, Soroush is right, giving rights without consensus is not democratic, but I can understand giving chance is your job, anyways I think this type of approval should be done by Soroush who is the founder of Persian uncyclopedia I think you should give him check user right, this will show who is abusing. Mjbmr (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't feel like I have to do have the power to do so. I'm not the fa.uncyc community. Only the community should have the power to decide on new permissions. I'm saying that this is not a moving in the right direction. --سروش (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Once again I apologize for not being able to have the opportunity to read this thread. But once I see it seems a case of abuse of power implicit. I think the community have jurisdiction to resolve this. However, accusations of sock puppet appear to be more serious in my opinion than a simple accusation of war issues.

In my opinion, I think there should be a consensus among users in how to edit the site. As the situation of giving powers to check user should not be advised due to possible abuse of this tool. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 05:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

as a note we have Village pump, tech room, admins notice board and bureaucrats notice board which all active people watch them and these links are exist in recentchanges header and we make decisions on them. is there a page here in UnMeta which contains local discussion links of every wikis? so redirect people from here to local community so local community can decide for approvals. Mjbmr (talk) 09:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Nice idea. I already made a short list of some uncycs here. I will add more later | CartoonistHenning (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


Ok, just take a look at recent changes page (in english). There are admins deleting/restoring a user page that has been deleted by the user request, and reverting frontpage. Then a bureau brings one of his friends and make him an admin. And protects his own talk page so no one can write on it. And most importantly there hasn't been a single article edit in the last 200 recent changes. --سروش (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

  1. (Protection log); 20:51 . . AliReza (Talk | contribs) changed protection level for "بحث کاربر:Mjbmr" [edit=autoconfirmed] (بی‌پایان) [move=sysop] (بی‌پایان) (نباید این کار رو کنی باباجون!فرامرز این سخنرانی امروز احمدی‌نژاد رو هم لینکشو بذاز حال کنیم.)
  2. (Protection log); 20:50 . . Faramarz (Talk | contribs) changed protection level for "بحث کاربر:Mjbmr" [edit=autoconfirmed] (بی‌پایان) [move=autoconfirmed] (بی‌پایان) (طبق قوانین)
Refers to these issues? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2071 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, 'cause soroush told here I can't protect my own talk page (I protected per insulting), I (a bureau) did desysop "Ali ringo" per this 'cause he was abusing his rights as I told in the log per his edit war in main page, undelete ebraminio's user page (ebraminio is inactive and he deleted his user page) and revenge (blocking other admin), I'm not fighting for myself you can take my rights anytime you want, thank you. Mjbmr (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Erm... it's not that I want to escape from this, but I want to say that this is something you should fight out between yourselves. UnMeta can't decide in this any longer. Situation is too complex :-/ CartoonistHenning (talk) 00:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Yep! UnMeta can't simply show up and grant user rights (or even block someone) in Persian Uncyclopedia or any other Uncyclopedia.
I think the best advice to you persians, is: Set clear rules on the granting and loss of user rights, and give amnesty to all, starting over from scratch.
Remember, the most important of any Uncyclopedia are not your users or your rights, but your articles and your fun. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 15:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Wise words, Alhazred. You hit the nail on the head. There must indeed come a user/content policy (rules and guidelines). Try making a policy, propose it for the community and approve it by a democratic vote. Then, everyone on af.uncyc will be bound to it. That's all I can say | CartoonistHenning (talk) 23:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I made a special page at fa:Project:Permission for requests such as sysop, 'crat, deletion and rollback, "ali ringo" made a request for crat here (he doesn't have already admin right) but he insult me again in that request page but I answered him nicely. his request needs community consensus. Mjbmr (talk) 11:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
That's the most righteous thing you can do | CartoonistHenning (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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